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A Conversation about the New Earth

A conversation through comments arose in the author’s post entitled, “The Biblical Preacher that Can’t be Denied” .  The comments are very long and the author (elmantheman) answered the accusations and arguments commented by fromthesunrising, who said later on that he is not a member of the Jehovah’s Witness,  as follows.

  1. fromthesunrising

    June 5, 2009 11:34 pm

    Hi I remember that I have sent a comment on you. Have you visited my blog site at http://www.fromthesunrising.wordpress.com I have blogs that in accordance of the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I hope you will veist it in your free time and examine whether your church or the JWs is exposing truth to the people. You are free to comment.Please be close-minded. Let us open our mind to the truth which is from the word of God, Jehovah.Please share this site also to other of your colleagues. Many false preachers come out in the world. And we are warned to test if of them if they have the Spirit of God.Why not test Jehovah’s Witnesses and comapre their doctrines to your church. I am willing to have a discussion with you and with others. Please read also the comments in every blogs.Thanks. I hope light will shine on you so you may receive the salvation from God through Jesus. Here is my blog: http://www.fromthesunrising.wordpress.com

  2. elmantheman

    June 6, 2009 2:43 am

    fromthesunrising,

    Jehovah’s witnesses are fake witnesses. Why? First, their own bible states that they invented the word JEHOVAH. Secondly, please read the blog,

    esoriano.wordpress.com

    under the post entitled, “The Kind of Witnesses the Jehovah’s Witnesses Are

    this is the link: http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/the-kind-of-witnesses-the-jehovah%E2%80%99s-witnesses-are/

    This is an excerpt:

    “…Therefore, the witnesses being mentioned in Isaiah 43:10 are not the Jehovah’s Witnesses, but the Apostles; and the God to whom they are witnesses to is the Lord Jesus Christ — the God that was ‘formed’.

    In the book of Acts 10:38-41

    “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and showed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.”

    It is very clear in the preceding verses that the witnesses chosen by God and Jesus Christ are the Apostles, to whom God revealed the person of His Son who ate and drank with them after He was resurrected from the dead; and the witnessing of the Apostles extend to the uttermost part of the earth.

    Acts 1:8

    “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.“

    The Apostles are able and true witnesses.

    Therefore, what kind of witnesses are the Jehovah’s Witnesses?…”

  3. fromthesunrising

    June 6, 2009 6:43 am

    I have read that blog of eli soriano.I have sent my comment on him yet he did not answer it. I don’t know why.I just presented my point of view. I have a coming blog to say why Isaiah 43:10 really stands for

    witnesses of God today.I have a clear explanation about witnesses of Jesus. I just hope you will read it from my site.In regards to the name of God, I have written a blog on my site entitled “The Divine Name:To Use or Not To Use It”. Kindly read it. And also my blogs “Future Rulers of the World-Who Are They?” an exposition based from the insights of Jehovah’s Witnesses in accordance to biblical basis.Perhaps you can examine it and free to comment on what does it really teaches. I suggest you read all my blogs.I would be willing to discuss matters in line with the religion.Thanks anyway for your response even it is only in a video format.

  4. elmantheman
    June 6, 2009 2:53 am

    Is Jehovah the name of God the Father?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KscFXnq5pe8

    Weird Doctrines of Jehovah’s Witness About New Heaven

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDXCJpwom3Y

    DEBATE: Bro. Eli Soriano of the Church of God International VS
    Mr. Ronald Obidos formerly of the Jehovah’s Witness, but now a SDA – Part VI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXHbuu3wy60
    All videos courtesy of Youtube.com

  5. fromthesunrising
    June 6, 2009 6:59 am

    I have read the first video regarding earth. He said that the earth in ecclesiastes are the occurences based from the beginning of the sentences in ecclesiastes.From that point of view if you will say that earth will be removed so “HOW COME THE EARTH(OR OCCURENCES ACCORDING TO ELI SORIANO EXIST FOREVER) WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO SAY THAT THE EARTH WILL BE REMOVED?” Where would the occurences take place?Especially when the climate is mention there and the waters that goes back to sea?See it is continues process. Look this in your Bible – Proverbs 2:21,22.Weigh in. It says the good will remain on earth and the wicked will be pulled out of it?See?The earth will reain.There are other proofs I would like to share with you.Perhaps on other time.if you are only going to read my blogs, you will learn the truth.

  6. elmantheman
    June 7, 2009 2:58 am

    fromthesunrising,

    If you took notice, the aim of this blog is to fight human ideas that try to dispossess people from the real truth that is in the Holy Scriptures. Therefore, don’t you even dare to make it appear here that Brother Eli will not answer your comments in his blog.

    What makes you think that we will ignore the likes of you? If your purpose on commenting is to debate, then, tell Brother Eli of your concern, so that he can face you even via INTERNET streaming, in front of our brethren, so you would know that everyone can witness how you debunk our faith, or vice-versa.

    Brother Eli even debated one of your brethren, if you can just watch the videos you mentioned above. I placed a proof, do that too if you may.

    If you will go on referring to your claims, try to put a link here, for example, if you had questions or comments for Brother Eli’s Blog, please put the link here. And if you think your questions has not been answered yet, then, there are several options for you to pursue them, to wit:

    You can visit our ADD Convention Center in Apalit Pampanga; you can call the telephone numbers I placed in my recent posts about Bible Exposition and World Wide Indoctrination of the Gospel of Jesus Christ so that you can give your debate efforts and concerns; you can attend to one of our prayer meetings in our locales located in almost every part of the Philippines; you can send again your comments to make sure it was received; and/or you can video cam yourself with your questions and place it in youtube.com, just like the woman who is courageous enough (the video included in my post), she asked, “How did you know if God do really exists?”.

    If only those things that you wrote and believed in will cure people and your own brethren of their human ideas, then I won’t bother to answer you. I even let your comment remain here, though, so that it may testify of your ignorance, biblical speaking.
    You are a witness of your human ideas. You are not a witness of God.

    By the way, who is your leader in JEHOVAH’s Witness? Who established your church? Was it a woman? Can you cite here your leaders’ prophecy that didn’t come true? When did you become a Jehovah’s witness?

    Try to read again your question and re-type it in such a way that we can comprehend it, for example, your question about earth and your argument. There are several passages that talks about earth in the bible, there is one where God lives, another is where we live, another one is the land of the living, etc. I know that in God’s earth there is no death and it cannot be shook, even His kingdom.

    Hebrews 12:
    26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”

    25See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? 26At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”

    27The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain.

    28Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29for our “God is a consuming fire.”

    You, by being a witness that this earth will remain (because JEHOVAH’s Witnesses believe that they will inherit this present earth as it will remain forever) only proves that you are holding on to the earth that you know, the same earth that we are living in today. Your god is your stomach. You are not holding on to the words of God that is in the Holy Scriptures. You mentioned Proverbs 2:21,22 but you don’t have the wisdom being defined starting Proverbs 2:1 and up. How could you possibly understand Proverbs 2:21,22? You should watch again the above video and try to use the Holy Bible and weigh again.

    If you would take the “land” or “earth” in Proverbs 2:22 it says,

    Pro 2:21 For the upright 3477 shall dwell 7931 in the land 776, and the perfect 8549 shall remain 3498 in it.

    Pro 2:22 But the wicked 7563 shall be cut off 3772 from the earth 776, and the transgressors 898 shall be rooted out 5255 of it.

    Strong’s H776 – ‘erets ארץ
    1) land, earth
    d) (in phrases)…
    4) land of the living

    Wicked people already are dead in the spirit and they shall be rooted from the land of the living. And I believe in the verse you mentioned, but not to your interpretation. So, just try to think deeper. What do you think is the absolute truth meaning of “the land of the living”? Is it in this so called earth that you will inherit, (this present earth), Jehovah’s witness?

    Psalm 33:14
    from his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth-

    Proverbs 8:22-36 KJV

    22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

    30Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

    31Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

    I also believe in God’s word:

    Matthew 24:35 NIV

    35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

    35 El cielo y la tierra pasarán, pero mis palabras jamás pasarán.

    I am bothered why you want to be a citizen of this earth as testified by your insights that are anti-Christ. The problem is, your faith is based on man-made – human ideas that was not patterned from the Apostles faith, nor Jesus Christ’s faith.

    Philippians 3:

    17Join with others in following my example, brothers, and take note of those who live according to the pattern we gave you. 18For, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.

    20But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

    I will leave you with verses and read them fully, fromthesunrising:

    Proverbs 2

    1 My son, if you accept my words
    and store up my commands within you,
    2 turning your ear to wisdom
    and applying your heart to understanding,

    3 and if you call out for insight
    and cry aloud for understanding,

    4 and if you look for it as for silver
    and search for it as for hidden treasure,

    5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD
    and find the knowledge of God.

    6 For the LORD gives wisdom,
    and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.

    7 He holds victory in store for the upright,
    he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,

    8 for he guards the course of the just
    and protects the way of his faithful ones.

    9 Then you will understand what is right and just
    and fair—every good path.

    10 For wisdom will enter your heart,
    and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.

    11 Discretion will protect you,
    and understanding will guard you.

    12 Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men,
    from men whose words are perverse,

    13 who leave the straight paths
    to walk in dark ways,

    14 who delight in doing wrong
    and rejoice in the perverseness of evil,

    15 whose paths are crooked
    and who are devious in their ways.

    16 It will save you also from the adulteress,
    from the wayward wife with her seductive words,

    17 who has left the partner of her youth
    and ignored the covenant she made before God.

    18 For her house leads down to death
    and her paths to the spirits of the dead.

    19 None who go to her return
    or attain the paths of life.

    20 Thus you will walk in the ways of good men
    and keep to the paths of the righteous.

    21 For the upright will live in the land,
    and the blameless will remain in it;

    22 but the wicked will be cut off from the land,
    and the unfaithful will be torn from it
    .

    I am nothing.

    To God be the Glory!

  7. fromthesunrising
    June 7, 2009 6:07 am

    You are mentioning in Proverbs 2:21, 22 the words “earth” and “land”. May I question you guys why did you change the word “land” and “earth” when in fact from your source in strong’s dictionary it has the same hebrew word. And for your information as well as to your colleagues the “new earth” that Jehovah’s Witnesses is not literal in sense. It is the new good society of humanity.The earth that spoken by Jesus doesn’t mean that the earth will really removed but that is in deeper sense that is the wicked society of this present things which is in earth. In regards to heaven I believe heavens passes for in science and astronomy there are stars which doom at specific time because of hot temperatures. And in your words you said that “wicked will be rooted from the land of the living” see? Can’t you understand you said it will be “rooted from” the land of the living. Meaning in the land of the living there are good and wicked but the good will remain and the
    wicked will be rooted.Or you may say that the land of the living is the new earth so why there are wicked there. In your own explanation there is the answer. You are just ignoring the fact.Read this. Psalms 104:5 “He has founded the earth upon its established places;
    It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.” Is it not the literal earth that we are living today?And I have also read in Revelation that those who are destroying the earth will be destroyed.Why because he has a purpose for earth. To live the mankind in earth.Because there are two kinds of body in ressurection; heavenly bodies and earthly bodies- 1 Corinthians 15:35, 40.And this one I think you’re gonna think much of this: Ezekiel 37:25 “And they will actually dwell upon the land that I gave to my servant, to Jacob, in which YOUR forefathers dwelt, and they will actually dwell upon it, they and their sons and their sons’ sons to time indefinite, and David my servant will be their chieftain to time indefinite.” Not all God’s people will be in heaven. Check this out. John 3:3 In answer Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nic·o·de´mus said to him: “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter into the womb of his mother a second time and be born, can he?” 5 Jesus answered: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” What is born from water in Christianity? Is it not the baptism in water? And when does the baptism started? It is not through John the baptist which is apostle of Jesus?Don’t say me this is not true.Please read my blog entitled “Future Rulers of the World – Who Are They?” And I believe if you are just going to accept the true teachings from God’s people certainly you will have chance to have salvation. Why do I say this? Because we must act after we have faith to what we hear.I have a coming blog to out. I suggest you always visit my site at http://www.fromthesunrising.wordpress.com I am willing to discuss matters in line with religion. I am not saying that I know all I know there are lot of people in this world who are intelligent and who are really good in presenting verses. But what I share is just a little one which many people cannot see.

  8. fromthesunrising
    June 7, 2009 6:42 am

    And do you think a good preacher is the one who can answer all the questions of the people? And so why does you r preacher cannot answer mine?Do i Have to face him just to answer me. I know he has brothers who have read my comments. Aren’t they capable of answering my questions. I am not boasting here to say however, all all the members of your church which I have talked through internet did not continue to stand to their fate when I send the verses that I have learned from the JWs. Why? Is it because eli soriano did not teach them to answer those kind of questions like mine?It is not reasonable that a person is best from the other if he cannot prove to himself and to others that his words are right against the words of the other claimers. And for your information, i don’t want to waste my money to go in your Bible exposition just to answer my questions.Is he only the right to answer my questions?What about you and your colleagues?Don’t they have right or knowledge to answer me?I have a coming blog about the punishment of the wicked?Is it really the literal hell of fire that the wicked will be on? I suggest you tell it to other of your colleagues and send me some comments if you want.You need to share the truth.Why?The reason is?
    Ezekiel 33:1-9
    1 And the word of Jehovah proceeded to occur to me, saying: 2 “Son of man, speak to the sons of your people, and you must say to them,

    “‘As regards a land, in case I bring upon it a sword and the people of the land, one and all, actually take a man and set him as their watchman, 3 and he really sees the sword coming upon the land and blows the horn and warns the people, 4 and the hearer actually hears the sound of the horn but he takes no warning at all, and a sword comes and takes him away, his own blood will come to be upon his own head. 5 The sound of the horn he heard, but he took no warning. His own blood will come to be upon his own self. And had he himself taken warning, his own soul would have escaped.

    6 “‘Now as regards the watchman, in case he sees the sword coming and he actually does not blow the horn and the people itself gets no warning at all and a sword comes and takes away from them soul, for its own error it itself must be taken away, but its blood I shall ask back from the hand of the watchman himself.’

    7 “Now as regards you, O son of man, a watchman is what I have made you to the house of Israel, and at my mouth you must hear [the] word and give them warning from me. 8 When I say to someone wicked, ‘O wicked one, you will positively die!’ but you actually do not speak out to warn the wicked one from his way, he himself as a wicked one will die in his own error, but his blood I shall ask back at your own hand. 9 But as regards you, in case you actually warn someone wicked from his way [for him] to turn back from it but he actually does not turn back from his way, he himself will die in his own error, whereas you yourself will certainly deliver your own soul.

    And there is a verse in the Bible that if you know the truth yet you are not doing it it is a sin for you. I forgot the verse. Maybe next time I will send it to you. Bye.

  9. fromthesunrising
    June 8, 2009 5:11 am

    Mr elman I am not here to wicken you faith. I am here to help people here to realize the truth. What would be you prize in continuing to a false one. When I’m a beginner in studying a Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses, I have also dobt about the hell and soul. however, when i study deeper and try to figure out what the Bible are saying, then I realize it’s really true. And when I read new articles saying the faulty of NWT, I started to think also.However, I did not rely my belief on what I have read but I have examined the NWT and other Bible versions and I have found out that NWT is right.That is why I am planning to publish a blog about the NWT and answers on some questions that has raised up by detractors of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I am not persuading you to believe now but I am inviting you to please examine whether my words and the doctrines of Jehovah’s Witnesses are lies. Please have free time to study all my blogs and the comments in all the blogs. Actually I have a mind that you might the use the verse in the Bible that the earth are destined to fire.I forgot the verse.Yet the earth here is not the literal earth it is the wickedness of the people in earth.A fire is only a symbolism of destruction. if you can notice Isaiah chapetr 24.You can see this.Isaiah 24:6 “That is why the curse itself has eaten up the land, and those inhabiting it are held guilty. That is why the inhabitants of the land have decreased in number, and very few mortal men have remained over.” See the word use “the land have decreased in number”. The wicked were vanished.But notice this verse: Isaiah 24:15 That is why in the region of light they must glorify Jehovah, in the islands of the sea the name of Jehovah, the God of Israel. 16 From the extremity of the land there are melodies that we have heard: “Decoration to the Righteous One!”
    See if you are going to read whole the chapters the whole world has been judged by God Jehovah.There is no fire that mention in the chapter.What about Isaiah 65:21 And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. 23 They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. 24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear.25 “The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull; and as for the serpent, his food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain,” Jehovah has said. Is that possbile in heaven?Would there be animals in heaven.Definitely not because there are no animals in heaven that are spirits.Also this one.Is this possible in heaven?Isaiah 11:6 And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them. 7 And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. 8 And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra; and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. 9 They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea.
    10 And it must occur in that day that there will be the root of Jes´se that will be standing up as a signal for the peoples. To him even the nations will turn inquiringly, and his resting-place must become glorious. 11 And it must occur in that day that Jehovah will again offer his hand, a second time, to acquire the remnant of his people who will remain over from As·syr´i·a and from Egypt and from Path´ros and from Cush and from E´lam and from Shi´nar and from Ha´math and from the islands of the sea. 12 And he will certainly raise up a signal for the nations and gather the dispersed ones of Israel; and the scattered ones of Judah he will collect together from the four extremities of the earth.” I hope you will open your eyes from these verses I have presented.

  10. fromthesunrising
    June 8, 2009 5:44 am

    Also this one. Please read the preceding verses of it.
    Isaiah 32:15 until a spirit from on high is poured out on us,
    and the wilderness becomes a fruitful field,
    and the fruitful field is deemed a forest.
    16Then justice will dwell in the wilderness,
    and righteousness abide in the fruitful field.
    17The effect of righteousness will be peace,
    and the result of righteousness, quietness and trust for ever.
    18My people will abide in a peaceful habitation,
    in secure dwellings, and in quiet resting-places.

    Notice the word from the WILDERNESS THEN IT BECOMES A FRUITFUL FIELD.And then the people will ABIDE IN PEACEFUL HABITATION.
    Also this one: Psalms 93: 1 Jehovah himself has become king!
    With eminence he is clothed;
    Jehovah is clothed—with strength he has girded himself.
    The productive land also becomes firmly established so that it cannot be made to totter.

    Psalms 78:69 And he began to build his sanctuary just like the heights,
    Like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite.

    Proverbs 10:30 As for the righteous one, to time indefinite he will not be caused to stagger; but as for the wicked ones, they will not keep residing on the earth.

    Joel 3:20 But as for Judah, to time indefinite it will be inhabited, and Jerusalem to generation after generation.

    1 Chronicles 16:30 Be in severe pains on account of him, all [YOU people of] the earth!
    Also the productive land is firmly established:
    Never will it be made to totter.

    Isaiah 45:18 For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.

    Psalms 37:9 For evildoers themselves will be cut off,
    But those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth.
    11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
    And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. 29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth,
    And they will reside forever upon it.

    See how many times it is said that the righteous will possess the earth. Even in the book of Matthew Jesus told that the meek will possess the earth. In his model prayer, he prayed that the God’s will happen in heaven and on earth.Why would he mention earth if God has no purpose for earth.He has purpose both in heaven and on earth.Think of this verse. God doesn’t turn back to what he has planned.
    James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, for it comes down from the Father of the [celestial] lights, and with him there is not a variation of the turning of the shadow.

    I guess I have presented all the proofs that this earth is still the earth that righteous people will have.Please share it to others. Thanks. And I hope you will realize the truth.

  11. fromthesunrising
    June 8, 2009 5:58 am

    The Jehovah’s Witnesses can aswer those “earth” mentioned in the Bible. For they beleive it is not literal.but on what is present on earth, it’s wickedness of the people.Because what comprises the earth is the wickedness of many.And that is would pass away not this earth.We have answer the term “earth” on what it stands for that it makes not contradicting to other verses on “earth”. May i now turn the questions to all of you. How can you explain all “earth” mention above that will stay forever. Including the one thing in ezekiel and Isaiah?We have a simple answer for the “earth” mention by Jesus and in 1 Peter 3:10. So may i know your all expalnations in all the verses I have presented. What does it mean for you?What is that earth being mention in the Bible?I will wait for you reasoning. If you can answer me and prove to me the real meaning of it then I might agreed you are correct.Ciao i have no time anymore.

  12. fromthesunrising
    June 8, 2009 6:10 am

    Please don’t focus in ecclesiastes 1:4 expalain all the earth that has been mention to exist forever. Don’t tell me it has the same in grammar sense. Your earth is all repititions. See, while the earth taht JW are saying is being mention an many parts of teh Bible in many different ways.Could you expalin that?

  13. elmantheman
    June 9, 2009 5:18 am

    fromthesunrising,

    Everytime you post your comment here, it shows that you are not reading my long answer with proofs from the Holy Bible and the readings of Brother Eli Soriano.

    If you can just hush now, please try to read this long comment of mine slowly. Haven’t you taken notice that I am just moving my long comment at the end of your new comment/question? I do that because it seems that whenever I answer you, you don’t read them thoroughly. Then, after my comment, you begin asking me for an answer, when in fact, you just have to go back to my previous comment and you’ll get the answer. This is my 3rd time moving my comment down.

    I asked you before hand to which Jehovah’s Witnesses group you belong to. How come you didn’t bother to answer?

    Are you really in so much a haste to debate and blatantly showing here that you are trying to cover it up with your sarcastic statements?

    Show us a book and its link, written by your leaders, about your belief and interpretation of such verses that you mentioned. Show us your reference to your fundamental beliefs, for example, these books: “Let God be True” and “The Truth that leads to eternal life.” which is being distributed and sold by the Jehovah’s witnesses even before you became one of them.

    You know, you tried so much to become the interpreter of the Old Testament, your group tried so hard to proclaim to the world that you are witnesses. With these, you failed to understand who the True witnesses of Jesus Christ: these are the Apostles who seen him in flesh and to whom Jesus Christ revealed himself. That is one of the reasons why, until now, you do not know what have been revealed to this True witnesses. You made your own human ideas and interpretations on the old scriptures, and you dwell on those as the new scriptures as you gave God a fake name of JEHOVAH.

    Wake Up! The Apostles already were given the explanation of these and they were commanded to write about these things!

    This is one of the reasons why Brother Eli wanted to debate leaders of different sect: to exposed how stupid and ignorant those leaders are, biblical speaking. It is easier said that one is a member of a group and blah blah blah than persuading his own leader to face another leader of an opposing religious group, isn’t it?

    Why am I asking for fromthesunrising‘s leader? Because one thing I learned with the readings of Brother Eli with the help of the Holy Spirit is this,

    2 Corinthians 10 (King James Version)

    1Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:

    2But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.

    3For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

    4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

    5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

    Just to help you understand a little more, fromthesunrising, let’s read another translation:

    2 Corinthians 10 (New International Version)

    3For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. 4The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 6And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete.

    Ephesians 6:11-17 (New International Version)

    11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

    13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

    Do you understand now, fromthesunrising? Leaders like Brother Eli Soriano and Brother Daniel Razon are ever ready to face rulers, authorities, powers that try to help the devil with its schemes. Don’t you write here your scheme to undermine them with your accusations of not answering your question. Because you, yourself, is not availing of any reasonable ways of how to relay a question. A person gives a question in order to know the truth. But in your action, you are not asking a question but rather, you are questioning Brother Eli’s faith. And it shows you feared a good debate that can be seen on videos.

    Those leaders Brother Eli debated, we have proofs through videos, that most of them didn’t change their point of view after losing the debate. How about you? Are you a leader of Jehovah’s witnesses? The mere fact, as I said before, it is found in your Jehovah’s witnesses BIBLE that you testify that you really invented the word JEHOVAH. Again, I will ask you, what can you say about it?

    I understand that your teachings, fromthesunrising, are arguments that you gathered from that leaders in your Jehovah’s witnesses group. And you, fronting as not one, correct me if I am wrong, isn’t a big surprise. Why would you find it a waste of money to follow any of the options I gave you. Whereas a woman called Lisa in youtube video above, didn’t hesitate to ask Brother Eli Soriano in her own little way – she got herself on webcam and let it be posted to the world how she wanted to know the truth, if not, regardless of her own reasons.

    fromthesunrising, you said: “…And for your information as well as to your colleagues the “new earth” that Jehovah’s Witnesses is not literal in sense. It is the new good society of humanity.The earth that spoken by Jesus doesn’t mean that the earth will really removed but that is in deeper sense that is the wicked society of this present things which is in earth….”

    I already mentioned above, I was asking you, fromthesunrising, to delve deeper the absolute truth of earth because there are a lot of earth/land being mentioned in the holy scriptures, which you failed to do, but instead you insisted of your own imagination and you completely disregarded the other verses that contains written explanation or pronouncement that tells us of the present progressive other than future progressive of the subject.

    God said in Isaiah 66:22 (King James Version)

    22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

    Have you read it? There are things that will remain, new heavens and new earth. See? We are living in the present earth which God created in the beginning. But He will make what? Isn’t that will remain and abide in the eyes of the Lord?

    And the wisdom who speaks in Proverbs 2:21,22 is the wisdom himself who testified and further explained what God said In Isaiah 66:22 and further testified by Apostle Peter and Apostle Paul that I mentioned above and the verses to follow after these:

    Matthew 24 (New International Version)
    32″Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

    2 Peter 3:10 (King James Version)

    10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    2 Pedro 3:10 (La Biblia de las Américas)
    10Pero el día del Señor vendrá como ladrón, en el cual los cielos pasarán con gran estruendo, y los elementos serán destruidos con fuego intenso, y la tierra y las obras que hay en ella serán quemadas.

    2 Corinthians 4:18 (King James Version)

    18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

    2 Corintios 4:18 (La Biblia de las Américas)
    18al no poner nuestra vista en las cosas que se ven, sino en las que no se ven; porque las cosas que se ven son temporales, pero las que no se ven son eternas.

    fromthesunrising, Please watch this Part II of Weird Doctrines of the Jehovah’s Witness about new Heavens

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfK36yK1q_o

    Again, I will leave you some verses which you might have not taken time to contemplate yet:

    Matthew 24:35 NIV

    35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

    35 El cielo y la tierra pasarán, pero mis palabras jamás pasarán.

    Ephesians 6:11-17 (New International Version)

    11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

    13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

    I am nothing.

    All thanks be to God, that cannot lie, for giving us understanding of this verse:

    James 1:17 (King James Version)

    17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

    Matthew 24:35 NIV

    35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

    35 El cielo y la tierra pasarán, pero mis palabras jamás pasarán.

  14. EYES
    June 8, 2009 7:03 pm

    18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

    – yeah that’s true visible matters in the universe composed only to 5% while the 95% is invisible.

    if we will amazed how big and far is the visible matters then how much more the invisible matter.

  15. fromthesunrising
    June 9, 2009 3:44 am

    You’re verses that you have presented doesn’t prove in any way that the earth will removed. How come other verses in the Bible shows that the earth will remain?I just want to ask your expalnation regarding these verses that shows of this earth that will exist forever. Please feel free to use your own version or others.
    Isaiah 27:6 ” In the coming [days] Jacob will take root, Israel will put forth blossoms and actually sprout; and they will simply fill the surface of the productive land with produce.”
    Is it not the earth that will be fruitful?

    How about this?When this happens?
    Isaiah 29:17-19 Is it not yet but a very little time and Leb´a·non must be turned into an orchard and the orchard itself will be accounted just as a forest? 18 And in that day the deaf ones will certainly hear the words of the book, and out of the gloom and out of the darkness even the eyes of the blind ones will see. 19 And the meek ones will certainly increase their rejoicing in Jehovah himself, and even the poor ones of mankind will be joyful in the Holy One of Israel himself, 20 because the tyrant must reach his end, and the bragger must come to his finish, and all those keeping alert to do harm must be cut off,

    Also this one:
    Proverbs 10:30 As for the righteous one, to time indefinite he will not be caused to stagger; but as for the wicked ones, they will not keep residing on the earth. (see the words use “will NOT KEEP residing on the earth.”)

    What does this mean to you. Is it not the earth that the good people will possess.He will judge the righteous people.Why is that?Because there is still 1000 years to prove themselves that they are desrving to God’s gift of eternal life.

    This what is the earth here. Is it not this earth?
    Psalms 78:69 And he began to build his sanctuary just like the heights,
    Like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite. -NWT

    Psalms 78:69 And he built his sanctuary like high [palaces], like the earth which he hath established for ever. – King James Version

    Psalms 93:1 Jehovah himself has become king!
    With eminence he is clothed;
    Jehovah is clothed—with strength he has girded himself.
    The productive land also becomes firmly established so that it cannot be made to totter. – NWT
    Psalms 93:1 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, [wherewith] he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. – King James Version
    May I know you explanation with this?

    Psalms 52:5 God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of [thy] dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah. – KJV it said root out of the land of the living.What is the land of the living?Is it not the earth?

    Psalms 119:90 Thy faithfulness [is] unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth. – KJV

    Psalms 119:90 Your faithfulness is for generation after generation.
    You have solidly fixed the earth, that it may keep standing. – NWT See the word “IT MAY KEEP STANDING”

    So what is your expalanation to Proverbs 2:21, 22. could you explain that here that I may learn on you?And why there is the word “PULLE OUT OF IT?” See the pronoun use “IT” meaning the thing which is mentioned is the earth.

    AND THIS ONE COULD YOU EXPALIN WHAT IS THIS MEAN?
    Psalms 104:5[Who] laid the foundations of the earth, [that] it should not be removed for ever. -KJV
    The word use is the foundations of the earth.So what is that earth to you?Read other verses on it. See the things that mention which are on earth?

    And how do you expalin this?
    Isaiah 34:10 By night or by day it will not be extinguished; to time indefinite its smoke will keep ascending. From generation to generation she will be parched; forever and ever no one will be passing across her. 11 And the pelican and the porcupine must take possession of her, and long-eared owls and ravens themselves will reside in her; and he must stretch out over her the measuring line of emptiness and the stones of wasteness. 12 Her nobles—there are none there whom they will call to the kingship itself, and her very princes will all become nothing. 13 On her dwelling towers thorns must come up, nettles and thorny weeds in her fortified places; and she must become an abiding place of jackals, the courtyard for the ostriches. 14 And haunters of waterless regions must meet up with howling animals, and even the goat-shaped demon will call to its companion. Yes, there the nightjar will certainly take its ease and find for itself a resting-place. 15 There the arrow snake has made its nest and lays [eggs], and it must hatch [them] and gather [them] together under its shadow. Yes, there the gledes must collect themselves together, each one with her mate.

    16 Search for yourselves in the book of Jehovah and read out loud: not one has been missing of them; they actually do not fail to have each one her mate, for it is the mouth of Jehovah that has given the command, and it is his spirit that has collected them together. 17 And it is He that has cast for them the lot, and his own hand has apportioned the place to them by the measuring line. To time indefinite they will take possession of it; for generation after generation they will reside in it.

    And don’t forget this one to explain:
    Ezekiel 37:24 “‘“And my servant David will be king over them, and one shepherd is what they will all come to have; and in my judicial decisions they will walk, and my statutes they will keep, and they will certainly carry them out. 25 And they will actually dwell upon the land that I gave to my servant, to Jacob, in which YOUR forefathers dwelt, and they will actually dwell upon it, they and their sons and their sons’ sons to time indefinite, and David my servant will be their chieftain to time indefinite.

    And also this one:
    Joel 3:20But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. – KJV

    And why there is heavenly bodies and earthly bodies in resurrection?

    1 Corinthians 15:35 Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?”
    40 And there are heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.

    And why is this in the Bible. What does it mean to you if all will be on heaven.Who are they going to judge?When in fact Jesus is the judge of all the people in the coming Armageddon?
    1 Corinthians 6:2 Or do YOU not know that the holy ones will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by YOU, are YOU unfit to try very trivial matters?

    And what about this verse? John 3:3 In answer Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nic·o·de´mus said to him: “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter into the womb of his mother a second time and be born, can he?” 5 Jesus answered: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    When is the baptism started? Is it practiced in the early people in the hebrew scriptures. Is it not John the Baptist who started it?

    These are the questions that you must answer IN ORDER NOT TO HAVE CONTRADICTIONS TO YOUR CLAIMS OF A LITERAL NEW EARTH AND WLL GOD’S PEOPLE WILL GO TO HEAVEN.I just hope you will publish it and have time to answer it if you really have the Spirit of God.I think the best to show your wisdom is not showing it in public but even showing in not public?For what can seen in public sometimes cannot be seen in private?I hope you got my point?
    Have you come to questions yourself about Matthew 24:14? Do you have brothers in Pakistan, India, Indonesia, China, Russia, Japan,
    korea, taiwan,and other countries. Can you also reveal how many countries does your church have? What about Matthew 28:19, 20. Do you do that. What does disciple means to you.Is only in hearing and not preaching?I hope you will answer all of this.

  16. fromthesunrising
    June 9, 2009 4:06 am

    And the new heavens mention by JWs is the new kingdom or the rulership of 144,000 that will be kings on heaven with Jesus. Compare this verse and you will notice that there are armies in heaven that will rotten.Is it not the leaders and the armies envolved here.Armies in heaven are angels of God. Why will be rotten?See,So this must not taken literally but in other meaning. See this verse.That focus on the kingdoms here on earth.
    Isaiah 34:4 And all those of the army of the heavens must rot away. And the heavens must be rolled up, just like a book scroll; and their army will all shrivel away, just as the leafage shrivels off the vine and like a shriveled [fig] off the fig tree.

    So what is your explanation here. Is it the literal heavens.That is impossible.Armies of Jehovah will not rot.You must understand this.

  17. EYES
    June 9, 2009 6:35 am

    the bible define earth as dwelling place.

  18. EYES
    June 9, 2009 6:54 am

    TO: Sunrising

    It’s so mind bugling to understand the creation of God most high.

    Your proposition about earth and kingdom of God situation is not conclusive.

    You have to hear an another proposition;

    “… come, you that are blessed by my Father! Come and posses the KINGDOM which has been PREPARED FOR YOU EVER SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD.”

    therefore there is a mirror earth created from the beginning

    the word “posses” there signify that there is place created along with earth from the beginning.

  19. fromthesunrising
    June 9, 2009 11:40 pm

    You have not answered my questions regarding the earth mentioned in many verses in the Bible.So I have to send you more verses for you to explain. Here it is:
    Isaiah 65:20 “No more will there come to be a suckling a few days old from that place, neither an old man that does not fulfill his days; for one will die as a mere boy, although a hundred years of age; and as for the sinner, although a hundred years of age he will have evil called down upon him. 21 And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. 23 They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. 24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear.
    Have you notice the word “nor will bring birth to disturbance”?And the word “for one will die as a mere boy”. Why those words are written?Do you have any idea?Well, it’s because there are still 1000 years for the resurrected people to prove that they are deserving to eternal life. That is why Jesus becomes King and all 144,000 will also be kings on heaven who will judge the world and the angels (demons)- 1 Corinthians 6:2,3. I just hope you will answer all of these.

  20. fromthesunrising
    June 9, 2009 11:53 pm

    I am not a leader of Jehovah’s Witnesses.Each Jehovah’s Witnesses can spread the Good News to people even at their only young ages.We are saying the truth. Of course I am questioning your faith.Because not all faith is in union with Christ.So I sending you questions and verses for you to look up and examine.Yet you ignore the fact that relates to the “earth” that will remain forever. The verses I have sent you are examples of showing that this earth will not removed but instead restore into paradise.You cannot prove to me and to the other people who has knowledge about the truth the “new earth” is a literal new earth.There are still verses that you cannot explain that mentions about the two kinds of people that will be saved.I just hope you will answer all of these to come to prove that JWs are really wrong.Anyway, thank you for the conversation.Let the viewers weigh in on this matter.

  21. elmantheman
    June 10, 2009 2:36 am

    fromthesunrising,

    Can you confirm to me whether you talk of the same earth during the millennium reign of Jesus Christ and the same earth after the judgment day, that these two earths are the same as the present earth we are living in like the diagram below?

    earth = present earth = earth during millenium = earth after the judgment day = earth where the righteous will remain

  22. fromthesunrising
    June 10, 2009 4:25 am

    Elman,
    Yeah that is the same earth the only thing that will wipe out is the wicked people together with their wickedness and also satan and his demons.

    Eyes,
    Can you explain all the verses I have sent compared to only one verse you have stated.Jesus is referring to the 144,000 that will be on heaven.That is the remaining 144,000 that will be on the armageddon.

  23. fromthesunrising
    June 10, 2009 5:55 am

    Eyes,
    let me correct my words. That is true the people on the right are the sheep.But take a look on deeper meaning so it won’t be contradicting to many verses is the Bible showing that this earth will exist forever which you haven’t give your explanation.”Possess the kingdom” “ever since the creation of the world”. Is it not true that Adam and Eve has a chance to possess the earth as their kingdom?That is what mean by Jesus. The kingdom he is mentioning is the earth not the heavenly kingdom.We must think of what Jesus think and not on our own interpretation.Because saying all God’s people will contradict the verses above that I have sent you.One verse that you must think is this and I would like to invite you again even your presiding minister eli soriano of what do you mean on this verse.
    Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.
    Take a deeper look on the words.There are kings mentioned that will ruled with Christ on 1000 years.Could you explain why there is 1000 years if you mean that all God’s people will be on heaven after resurrected?Why there are chosen people to be kings on heaven?And why there are said that others did not resurrected after 1000 years?See if all people will be resurrected why did Jehovah told that words?To whom that words applied?I guess you must read now the book of Jehovah’s Witnesses about the explanation of the Revelation.And please expalin the verse of John 3:3-5 wherein Jesus told only born of water and spirit will the people inherit the kingdom of God. Is baptism introduce before?And where can you find a single sentence of God saying directly to good people from Hebrew Scriptures that they will live on heaven.Don’t tell me the prophecy of Ezekiel is one.For that prophecy doesn’t hold to the early people of God.And one good verse to think is this. I just hope you will read from Hebrew 11:1- 38, and then understand why is 39 says like that.Why did Jehovah decided this.Making a difference from his early good people and the people that is union with Jesus Christ.Read this:
    Hebrew 11:39 And yet all these, although they had witness borne to them through their faith, did not get the [fulfillment of the] promise, 40 as God foresaw something better for us, in order that they might not be made perfect apart from us.
    Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise. 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.-KJV
    What do you think is that promise if you know?And why does Apostle Paul said that through them(take note through them, therefore there is significance difference between the people whom he mention before who had faith with the people he is mentioning with him)that those early people who had faith in God WOULD NOT BE MADE PERFECT unless through them?Why?What do you think so? Is it because the early people before would be resurrected and must prove to God that they are deserving to Jehovah until the final test when Satan will be freed and his demons to test all the people that will come after 1000 years and Paul and the people he is mentioning together with him WILL BECOME THE KINGS ON HEAVEN THAT WILL BE JUDGE THE WORLD.-1Corinthians 6;2,3 ; Revelation 20:5. Aren’t they special to God?So eli soriano are you special to Jehovah God?When in fact you are not preaching for the truth?You must start to think now and all ther readers here.Bye, bye. I have so much things to do.To God be the Glory!Praise Jah for the insights on his people.

  24. elmantheman
    June 11, 2009 4:58 am

    Eyes,

    Hush now. Perhaps you can give your inputs after I have clarified some subjects with fromthesunrising, so we can clearly understand how he came up with his stand, faith and beliefs.

    FYI. EYES has not shown enough proofs that he belongs or he is a member of the Church of God, International (MCGI), where Brother Eli Soriano is the presiding minister. Eyes’ membership with MCGI remains his dubious claim.

    For one, fromthesunrising claims that earth comprises the the wickedness of people, only the wicked people and also satan and his demons will be wiped out from it, but earth will remain and the righteous. There will also be animals.

    Imagine, he wrote several vague information here, don’t you add to it. You don’t want to be a source of confusion, do you?

    fromthesunrising,

    Do you think people reading here will find it easier to understand your point when you jump from one subject to another? We haven’t finished yet our conversation through comments and now, here you are, insinuating that we are leading people astray? How dare you?

    Going back to your request for an answer, I would need to clarify your faith and beliefs, please allow me to quote you again:

    fromthesunrising // June 8, 2009 at 5:58 am

    “…The Jehovah’s Witnesses can aswer those “earth” mentioned in the Bible. For they beleive it is not literal.but on what is present on earth, it’s wickedness of the people.Because what comprises the earth is the wickedness of many.And that is would pass away not this earth….”

    fromthesunrising // June 10, 2009 at 4:25 am

    Elman,
    Yeah that is the same earth the only thing that will wipe out is the wicked people together with their wickedness and also satan and his demons.

    Then I asked you to clarify this, with regards to your claim above, “…Will there still be vegetation, fish, animals, and birds on this earth, that is, on the present earth we are living in now when the meek and righteous inherit it after the day of judgment?…”

    Then you answered, claiming that:

    “…. That is true there will be animals on the “new earth” the new good society that will come on this earth. It was said in many verses….”

    Your answer is vague in regards to the animals, so, fromthesunrising, can you clarify these:

    1. Are these animals really new batches of creatures, we have never seen like fish in the wind, animals living in water, birds and insects, and vegetation that we never seen before or not existing in the present or in the past, or not similar to the ones created?

    2. Or are these animals you claim include: fish, beasts, birds, insects similar and found already in the present earth? Are there fish, are there insects, and vegetation too – will all of these remain and stay from the present earth we are living now to the same earth which you claim to be inherited by the righteous Jehovah’s Witnesses, after the judgment day?

    What is the Jehovah’s Witnesses stand about these?

  25. EYES
    June 11, 2009 5:38 pm

    Elmantheman,

    The new heaven and earth was described in Revelation 21:1-27 & Isaiah 65:17-25.

  26. fromthesunrising
    June 11, 2009 10:24 pm

    I don’t answer in vague mr elman. What i said on the “earth” that will pass away is the wickedness of the people and the “new earth” that is making by Jehovah is the good society on earth that will come.In regards to animals that will be living on earth, those animakl that we have now will also live on earth.Example lions, snakes, cows, bulls, cats, fishes, birds and others.All animals that would be useful on the coming earth will live on earth.They will be become harmless.
    The animals that we will have in the future is the animals we have at present.Those useful animals will be on earth for animals created to balance our ecology.Musch so in the coming “new earth” .Mr elman I am not confusing the readers here.I am telling the truth which are being spread by Jehovah’s Witnesses. You have input so many verses which is not in line with our topic.Those verses you have sent are also verses we are using to prove our faith.What I want from you is to explain all the verses I have sent you showing the earth will exist forever.Unfortunately, your “new earth” doesn’t have proofs of the new literal earth but rather a repetition of the “new earth” and “earth” in many ways in grammar but the same in meaning.So what I am presenting is the verses that relates on earth and had uses in many ways of grammar.That’s what I wanted you to explain to me and to others.Yet until now you haven’t provide answers to all my hang questions to you and to your presiding minister. Your comment in eli soriano’s blog is missing?I can’t find it.Why?Now I have sent you another verses for you to examine but it seems you are not giving attention to it.Well if you will not, let the viewers examine it.

  27. fromthesunrising
    June 12, 2009 4:32 pm

    Elman,

    Or maybe you are thingking of the earth which i said what comprises it is the wickedness of the people.Don’t you believe in that? I’ll show you a proof that this earth is full of wickedness and that this earth stands to wickedness of the people because of the majority people who are wicked on earth.Study these verses in NIV.

    Isaiah 24:1 See, the LORD is going to lay waste the earth
    and devastate it;
    he will ruin its face

    3 The earth will be completely laid waste
    and totally plundered.
    The LORD has spoken this word.

    4 The earth dries up and withers,
    the world languishes and withers,
    the exalted of the earth languish.

    5 The earth is defiled by its people;
    they have disobeyed the laws,
    violated the statutes
    and broken the everlasting covenant.

    As you can see it seems the earth will be totally destroyed.And this will happen and not happened already because of the word “violated the statutes and broken the EVERLASTING COVENANT.We know the first covenant was from Moises and not on the judgment day of Noah’s time.See?So will the earth totally be destroyed?No! Take a look on this verses.

    6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth;
    its people must bear their guilt.
    Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up,
    and very few are left.

    See the words? “VERY FEW ARE LEFT”. So there are survivors after the judgment day of God.

    After the world were judged the good people rejoiceth.

    14 They raise their voices, they shout for joy;
    from the west they acclaim the LORD’s majesty.

    15 Therefore in the east give glory to the LORD;
    exalt the name of the LORD, the God of Israel,
    in the islands of the sea.

    16 From the ends of the earth we hear singing:
    “Glory to the Righteous One.”

    And this words shows what will happen on the wickedness of the “earth” – of humanity on earth.

    19 The earth is broken up,
    the earth is split asunder,
    the earth is thoroughly shaken.

    20 The earth reels like a drunkard,
    it sways like a hut in the wind;
    so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
    that it falls—never to rise again.

    See the “earth” discusses here is the wickedness of the majority people not the whole earth or the literal earth that we are dwelling now.

    I am not creating my own opinions here.What I’m saying is the truth that can be found on the Bible. Don’t worry mr elman.This is already known by your brothers and mr. eli soriano.Surely he knows this.And Watchtower Tract and Bible Society also knows this.
    Are you confuse with what I’m saying? The “earth” mention taht will pass away is not this earth that we are living today but the wickedness of the people on earth.And the “new earth” that God has spoken about is not a literal new earth but a a coming good society of people that would dwell on earth. Am I confusing the readers here.If the reader would only read from the beginning then they would easily understand what I really want to point out. And will see the truth against the false doctrines of many religions out in the world. You can ask your members of your church regarding my questions
    if you can’t answer them or inform your presiding minister to help you in explaining your part especially your beliefs on the “earth” and the “new earth”. Let us see how helpful and wise your presiding minister to you.

    Another verse I have found out is this:

    Acts 3:25″It is you who are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘AND IN YOUR SEED ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH SHALL BE BLESSED.’ – NASB

    Acts 8:25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. – KJV

    Can you notice that word. “All people on earth” will be blessed. Do you think that happens now.Then why there are sufferrings in the world today?So it is on the coming days.The new earth that all good people will reside.They will be blessed by Jehovah. The seed of Abraham is Jesus.

    Gaalatians 3:19 Why, then, the Law? It was added to make transgressions manifest, until the seed should arrive to whom the promise had been made; and it was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator.

    And it said also that if the person belong to Christ, then he is Abraham’s seed.

    Galatians 3:29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.

    The seed here refer to 144,000 bought from earth.

    Consider this also and send me your point of view here.

    Revelation 2:26To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
    27′He will rule them with an iron scepter;
    he will dash them to pieces like pottery’[b]— just as I have received authority from my Father. 28I will also give him the morning star. – NIV

    “When Jacob returned from Mesopotamia, God appeared
    to him again and blessed him. God said to him, ‘Your name
    is Jacob, but from now on it will be Israel. And God said to him,
    “I am Almighty God. Have many children. Nations will be descended
    from you, and you will be ancestors of kings.” – TEV

    See would this verse doen’t mean for special someones.Then who are they if they are not special ones?

    Romans 11:25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not think you are superior: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, – TNIV

    see the word “full number of Gentiles” meaning complete number of Gentiles.There is a numerical figure of Gentiles that will come to God and those are 144,000 or the little flock that will be kings on heaven.But the great crowd or enormous crowd are not countable.It has no specific number. Jehovah does not designed the total number of people that will be saved on earth.

    Revelation 7:9After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. – NIV

    For further explanation of great multitude who will be saved and about the 144,000 please visit my site at http://www.fromthesunrising.wordpress.com and read “Future Rulers of the World – Who Are They?”

    There are lot of proofs mentioned about the coming new earth and of those who will be on heaven.I just hope all of you will read and examine all the verses I have presented. For comments please visit my site written above.

  28. June 12, 2009 4:41 pm

    fromthesunrising,

    I told you, so many times, that if you will refer about a post, a blog, or a comment from elsewhere, please put a link here.

    And going back to what I understood about your interpretation that the new earth, or new society of righteous people, will go down to the same earth as present, where no evil people will remain, you added that there will be:

    “…Example lions, snakes, cows, bulls, cats, fishes, birds and others.All animals that would be useful on the coming earth will live on earth.They will be become harmless. The animals that we will have in the future is the animals we have at present.Those useful animals will be on earth for animals created to balance our ecology.Musch so in the coming “new earth” …”

    May I clarify, will the fish you mentioned, and its kind will walk on earth and may or may not need the waters, or sea, or ocean? Will the beasts on land thrive in the great waters too, including insects, etc? You, and your brethren, can you thrive in the ocean or sea or waters too, by then? Will your brethren eat of these animals, including, beasts, fish, birds, insects; and vegetation too?

    Does the book of Revelation form part of your JEHOVAH BIBLE?

  29. fromthesunrising
    June 12, 2009 4:56 pm

    What Johovah’s Witnesses believes is the literal animals that would dwell on earth. I have no knowledge about your fish that would not need waters.And why are you focusing on animals that will live on earth.Are you trying to gice some contradictions to the word of God.There are animals mention in the Bible that refers to wicked man.But the animals said in the coming new earth even they are harmful today will become not harmful on the coming new earth.They will tame by Jehovah God.Please disregard those words which are irrelevant to our topic.Let us focus on the the truth that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are exposing. Bye I have no time now. I have to log out. Till next time.

  30. fromthesunrising
    June 12, 2009 5:00 pm

    Yeah the Book about Revelation of Jehovah’s Witnesses are part of Revelation in the Bible. You can read them. I know what is in your mind, the “sea” which will pass.If you want to know that just read the literatures of Jehovah’s Witnesses. We cannot discuss all matters here.That is complex matter. The only first matters I’m concerned here is the “new earth” and the people that will be saved. Please don’t input which are not related.The “sea” in Revelation is symbolical term.It denotes a deeper meaning.

  31. fromthesunrising
    June 12, 2009 9:56 pm

    Eyes,

    You are just ignoring the fact that God Almighty preserved his name so that all people from the earth will praise him forever.How come that is Jesus name when Jesus told “keep in your name”, “the name you have given me”. That is not the name Jesus which was given by Jehovah to him because he told “protect in YOUR NAME.”Can’t you see the meaning of it?Jehovah himself of course told his name to Jesus when he created Jesus.The name Jehovah was given to Jesus in order to proclaim the name of his Father to the people on earth.

    Consider this one verse from Revelation.

    Revelation 15:4 Who will not really fear you, Jehovah, and glorify your name, because you alone are loyal? For all the nations will come and worship before you, because your righteous decrees have been made manifest.”

    See the words?The name is there.All people will glorify then name of Almighty God. And “all the nations will come and worship before you”. That is happening now to Jehovah’s Witnesses. They are now 236 countries worshippinf Jehovah.And this prophecy will become more true after the 1000 years.For all the people that will be saved from every nation will praise to Jehovah God.See they are not in heaven.And this verse.When this will happen?Is it not on the coming “new earth”?

    Psalms 22:26 The meek ones will eat and be satisfied;
    Those seeking him will praise Jehovah.
    May YOUR hearts live forever.

    27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn back to Jehovah.
    And all the families of the nations will bow down before you.

    Psalms 135:13 O Jehovah, your name is to time indefinite.
    O Jehovah, your memorial is to generation after generation.
    Did not David assure that the name of Jehovah will be forever?

    And this one.Is it not in the coming “new earth”?

    Psalms 72:16 There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth;
    On the top of the mountains there will be an overflow.
    His fruit will be as in Leb´a·non,
    And those who are from the city will blossom like the vegetation of the earth.

    And the preceding verse of it. Is it not about Jehovah that will cause all of the following verses.

    Psalms 72:5 They will fear you as long as there is a sun,
    And before the moon for generation after generation.

    6 He will descend like the rain upon the mown grass,
    Like copious showers that wet the earth.

    7 In his days the righteous one will sprout,
    And the abundance of peace until the moon is no more.

    8 And he will have subjects from sea to sea
    And from the River to the ends of the earth.

    See “from sea to sea”, from “the river to the ends of the earth.”

    Is it not clear to you that the earth will remain.The “moon is no more” means there is no more darkness in God’s people.Compare verse 5 above.

    See elman the “sea” on how they are both use in the Bible.That is why JWs seek for the real meaning of the words in order not to have contradictions to other words. Now is you “new earth” that will come and the “earth” that will pass away have no contradictions to many verses I have sent to you?

    Another one Eyes and Elman.Consider this text from the Bible.

    Psalms 72:19 And blessed be his glorious name to time indefinite,
    And let his glory fill the whole earth.
    Amen and Amen.

    Don’t tell me Solomon doesn’t know about the coming earth.That God will remove the wicked.He existed in times of his many enemies.So he knew that there will be a coming “earth” that all the good people will reside and worship and praise Jehovah.

    TO ELMAN,

    The word “sea” in Revelation doesn’t mean of a literal sea which we see now.There are lots of the word “sea” mention in the Bible.Take a look on these verses:

    Isaiah 57:20 “But the wicked are like the sea that is being tossed, when it is unable to calm down, the waters of which keep tossing up seaweed and mire.

    Jude 13 wild waves of the sea that foam up their own causes for shame; stars with no set course, for which the blackness of darkness stands reserved forever.

    Do you think these sea in Jude 13 is really a literal “sea”? See are being use to describe the wicked people.

    Isaiah 17:12 Ha for the commotion of many peoples, who are boisterous as with the boisterousness of the seas! And for the noise of national groups, who make a din just like the noise of mighty waters!

    And what do you think about this one?

    REvelation 13:1 And it stood still upon the sand of the sea.

    And I saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, and upon its horns ten diadems, but upon its heads blasphemous names. 2 Now the wild beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were as those of a bear, and its mouth was as a lion’s mouth. And the dragon gave to [the beast] its power and its throne and great authority.

    Do you think it will come out from a literal sea?If you will, then it would mean to you that the wild beast is a literal beast. Is that possible?

    For further explanation about the wild beast in Revelation please read the book of Jehovah’s Witnesses entitled “Revelation – It’s Grand Climax At Hand”

    And why would you prohibit the God’s people from remembering the beatiful things on the past.Would you mean King David will not be remembered by the saved people, and the prophets of God and their good acts to Jehovah and the people?What about the apostles of Jesus would the people will not remember their studies about them.With this Bible be phase out in the coming “new earth”?Of COURSE NOT!!!The only thing that would not remember is the wicked memories of the past and not the good ones.Viewers with regards to the name Jehovah, I am inviting you again to please visit my site at http://www.fromthesunrising.wordpress.com and read the blog and comments under “The Divine Name:To Use Or Not To Use It?”. Please see my comments and other comments.Thank you all.May the truth enlightens your path.

  32. EYES
    June 13, 2009 1:03 am

    TO: Fromsunrising

    “Your point of views doesn’t hold much truth” – fromsunrising

    what?

    I think you don’t understand what I mean,

    What I mean is the new earth was created ever since the world was created as stated in matthew 25:34

    the question is, what is the purpose of this kingdom why it is created in ever since the world begun?

    There is only one answer and that is because Adam and Eve is made of flesh or dust.

    Dust is not eternal or no flesh can inherit the kingdom.

    Don’t you believe that after Adam and Eve commit a sin “The Transformer Machine” was taken out by God as written:

    “Now these human beings have become like one of us and have knowledge of what is good and what is bad. They must not be allowed to take fruit from the tree that gives LIFE, EAT IT, AND LIVE FOREVER”. – Genesis 3:22

    But this thing was reconcile through;

    ” For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not PERISH, but have EVERLASTING LIFE.” – John 3:16

    Therefore, Master Lord Jesus Christ is now the Tree of Life.

    Therefore again, The Master Lord Jesus Christ is the redeemer from the beginning since the word called “SIN” was born.

  33. elmantheman
    June 13, 2009 9:39 am

    Marlon/fromthesunrising and Eyes,

    It’s just easy to answer and be consistent, most especially if what you are preaching are the truth. That is what Brother Eli Soriano and Brother Daniel Razon are doing. They can face anyone, especially the leaders of different sects who try to interpret the Holy Bible and to confuse people.

    We do not peddle the word of God unlike the sect you belong to, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who sold every literature and books that they can publish containing the so called words of god, and the name Jehovah, that they invented.

    Your leaders are too ambitious and hard-headed, that is why we can expect you and your brethren to be similar, can’t we?

    Eyes and Marlon, no matter how long and accurate the explanation given to you, you will not give up. You care-less even if your arguments and points of view won’t stand a chance against the arguments of the Apostles. Why? Because you are just a member, you are not a leader that will lose face. You have nothing to lose. But instead, your vain persistence is your fuel that keeps you going on teaching your false faith. And where does that vain persistence and false faith comes from? Those come from your lying father. Your god is your stomach.

    Why not convince your leader to face our leader, to let all people see and hear your foolish human ideas and imaginations? So once and for all, once the liar is found out, you and your co-disciples can work on the true teaching of Jesus Christ.

    As a member, if only you can weigh the verses you used and the verses of the Holy Bible we have presented here, then you will know the True God, not your invented god, Jehovah.

    Principal doctrinal handbook of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, “Reasoning From the Scriptures,” published in 1985, page 192 –

    Hence some moderns have framed the name of Jehovah, unknown to all the ancients, whether Jews or Christians; for the true pronunciation of the name, which is in Hebrew text, by long disuse is now quite lost.

    New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society for Jehovah’s Witnesses on February 9, 1950, page 23 –

    While inclining to view the pronunciation “Yah-weh” as the MORE CORRECT way, we have retained the form “Jehovah” because of PEOPLE’S FAMILIARITY with it since the 14TH CENTURY.

    I hope God gives you the mercy to continue learning and studying the Holy Scriptures, reading and understanding it together with a more qualified reader mentioned in Revelations 1:3,

    3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

    Remember, God said in Matthew 24:35 NIV

    35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

    35 El cielo y la tierra pasarán, pero mis palabras jamás pasarán.

    Our God cannot lie and that is what you might not know. Have a change of heart, Marlon.

    God said in Isaiah 66:22 (King James Version)

    22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

    And Marlon/fromthesunrising, you said, “…What Johovah’s Witnesses believes is the literal animals that would dwell on earth. I have no knowledge about your fish that would not need waters.And why are you focusing on animals that will live on earth.Are you trying to gice some contradictions to the word of God….”

    I am clarifying your point about animals and fishes on the new earth that you keep on telling us, whether it will thrive on land or on the bodies of water. Of course we need to understand the animals you are talking about, so that you can elaborate on the ecology you mentioned after the judgment day.

    How dare you accuse me? It is you who is contradicting the verses by injecting the kind of earth that has animals and fish to complete your ecology. Can’t you understand the same earth you are waiting for is what satan was trying to offer Jesus Christ?

    Matthew 4 (New International Version)

    1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.

    8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9″All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

    10Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

    11Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

    God gives you life and death. His words and the new earth and new heavens will remain. The first earth will pass away, choose Marlon.

    Do you think satan will show Jesus Christ all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor with people killing each other, with wicked people continuing to corrupt the earth and themselves? Do you think satan will show Jesus Christ anything that has something to do with wickedness and evil? Of course satan will show Jesus what you have been showing to us. But we will not worship your fake god Jehovah who is a man made god by liars, your bible speaks of your invented god’s name and here you are telling us that you speak of the truth? How dare you!

    I do not argue with all the verses you mentioned, it is with your interpretation that I am concerned about. And since you believe in the book of Revelation, then it will not be that difficult for you to understand that the sea will no longer exist, what more of the fish and its kind that thrives in it? Even the fish and the sea will no longer exist as all of these will pass away, when God makes everything new.

    Eyes and Marlon, wake up!

    As it is pointed out, God makes everything new.

    Marlon/fromthesunrising, using the words in the Old Testament to limit your understanding of the what the New Testament contain is not normal. All the verses goes hand in hand, but you should realize that the Apostles, for example, John, Peter, Jude, and Paul have written of the interpretation of those written in the past and those things commanded to them to be written.

    We are now the people living in the end times. We are not under the dispensation of angels who speak of words that is enough to be understood in that era.

    We are now under the dispensation of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit who can determine the depth and width of the words given by the Father.

    Matthew 28 (New International Version)

    19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

    20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    You just proven to us that you’ve been lifting up yourselves as witnesses and taking for granted the true witnesses of God, which are the Apostles. The Apostles already wrote of the interpretation, and what Christians need to do is to read them, not interpret them again in such a way that they will make themselves the new interpreter. If you are really are the disciples, then why are you adding and subtracting the words that Jesus Christ commanded to the Apostles? How dare you!

    Matthew 24 (New International Version)

    32″Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

    35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

    You may take it as literal or not, but as far as the verses are concerned there is no conflict as our memories of wicked memories, of wicked people, and of the sea that is tainted with the corrupted bodies and wickedness, it will all be a thing of the past once God makes all things new. It is God who is talking here, not a man who can lie. It is God who commanded that John wrote of what he saw.

    Revelation 21 (New International Version)

    1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

    2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

    4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

    5He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.

    And don’t tell me that only the first earth consists only of the society of evil people and that your brethren do not belong to the first earth.

    The earth is contaminated by your so called evil people. And what will God do to that earth corrupted by those evil people and the devil when the right time comes?

    Leviticus 11:33 (New International Version)
    33 If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be unclean, and you must break the pot.

    Jude 1:23 (New International Version)
    23snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

    It is further explained here in a YouTube.com video by our Presiding Minister, Brother Eli Soriano as he reads to us the Holy Bible.

    Weird Doctrines of the Jehovah’s Witness about new Heavens Part 4

    Isaiah 65 (New International Version)

    17 “Behold, I will create
    new heavens and a new earth.
    The former things will not be remembered,
    nor will they come to mind.

    18 But be glad and rejoice forever
    in what I will create,
    for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
    and its people a joy.

    Just imagine, these Jehovah’s Witnesses seeing and remembering the former things as they see remaining mountains where their wife and children gone picnics every Sunday; the ocean where their relatives used to travel; forests where their bestfriends used to camp, eating hunting wild boars and fish; and their parents who turned out to be unrighteous and unmeek to inherit the new earth. Can’t you see yourself crying in pain and in heartaches because you can no longer see them?

    I suppose you will realize this once a family member of yours will need a blood transfusion, where you yourself is qualified to donate, but because of your fake doctrines, you will let them die. Or even you, I hope God will have mercy on you to understand this before you turn out to be needing of blood and you will die slowly. I pray that it need not happen to you for you to understand.

    I have pasted the verses where the god of the world offered the kind of earth that the likes of fromthesunrising or Marlon are looking forward to receiving or going to. Let us read them again:

    Matthew 4 (New International Version)

    1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.

    8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9″All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

    10Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

    11Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

    2 Peter 3 (New International Version)

    10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

    11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

    13But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

    14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

    18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

    For those who can’t view videos here, you may try to visit

    http://www.youtube.com/broelisoriano or

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kej6kFw9yZo or to

    http://www.angdatingdaan.org or

    http://www.esoriano.wordpress.com

    Zechariah 7:5
    Ask all the people of the land and the priests, ‘When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh months for the past seventy years, was it really for me that you fasted?

  34. fromthesunrising
    June 13, 2009 1:03 pm

    Mr elman,

    Why did you not accept my comments to you.Are you afraid of the people that will know the truth. It’s time to think now my friend/s.Open your eyes to the truth.The only truth from a true church of God.

  35. fromthesunrising
    June 13, 2009 3:14 pm

    Our conversation is now on your presiding minister. I have sent a copy of this on his blog.Perhaps they can help you out in my unanswered questions to all of you.

  36. elmantheman
    June 13, 2009 9:40 pm

    Marlon/fromthesunrising,

    How many times do I need to tell you to please put a link here if you will refer to a blog? So that the readers here wouldn’t find it difficult to search for your claims and accusations. Is it difficult for you to understand?

    No one is stopping you from commenting here, even me. If you can count, half of the total comments here are yours. I even wanted a feedback as long as my long comments.

    What is there to be afraid of the truth? In fact, I made a blog to write my testimonies of how Great God is. I made a blog to show people how to live a life without hypocrisy, by being true to myself. I made this blog to tell people that there is a truth to be learned and there is always hope, hoping too that they can find one even by accidentally finding my blog in the Internet. Hoping too that in my little way, as a little person, they find a link to the truth before they die hopeless. I have put a link of my brethren’s blogs, so that people starving for truth and good company would realize that they are not alone and can receive the grace that we have received from God. It is by knowing who God really is that one can stop a life of hypocrisy. People would not need approval from people, so long as they know what God asks from them.

    I clearly mentioned in my blog and in my previous comments that only the truth should stay here, and refer my readers to http://www.esoriano.wordpress.com just in case I said something erroneous biblical speaking. All comments here are in moderation, just so I would not forget or miss out any comment that I need to answer or acknowledge. Can’t you wait? For just several hours that you didn’t see your comments approved here doesn’t mean I accept them as the truth and I do not want people to read them. Give me the benefit of the doubt. You can send me follow ups without accusing me, can’t you?

    No matter how stupid your comments are, since you mentioned of several verses which is more important, I still approved your interpretations just so people can read them all and understand your basis, how you think, and how you invented and made another testament. You made a new bible where the witnesses are no longer the Apostles, but instead, the Jehovah’s Witnesses already. That is the obvious observation here.

    How dare you, accuse me of so many things? You even accused Brother Eli of not answering you, but here you are obliging him to answer your questions in my blog? How dare you! Are you a child?

    If you are a fair and a just person yourself, you would have sent our conversation to your leader too, and would have asked him to face Brother Eli Soriano, so that people will finally choose who is telling the truth. Don’t you want to be a witness, seeing and being present in a debate?

    I know you can understand Tagalog dialect, but with your attitude and haste, you might have failed to read and watch the youtube video above where the person debating with Brother Eli was a former Jehovah’s Witness preacher and now a Seventh Day Adventist Church Minister. Correct me if I’m wrong with the affiliation/status of your Brother Ronald Obidos.

    DEBATE: Bro. Eli Soriano of the Church of God International VS
    Mr. Ronald Obidos formerly of the Jehovah’s Witness, but now a SDA – Part 8

    Why would he, from being a preacher of Jehovah’s Witness, face Brother Eli to a debate if your leader can really stand up for your teachings? After losing, he has transferred to another sect. Correct me if I am wrong with his affiliation/status.

    Marlon/fromthesunrising, Who is your leader by the way? Ask your leader to face Brother Eli first before you write your tantrums and baseless accusations here.

    As far as the verses are concerned, even the verses you used, they have answered our concerns here against you. It is you who has a problem. You can’t accept the truth because your mind and heart are already preoccupied with the preconceived ideas about an earth which satan was trying to bribe Jesus Christ with. The sad part is that, you are looking forward to that earth. You have a false hope and faith brought by hearing the human ideas and imaginations of your leader/s.

    While I was listening with Brother Eli as he reads the Holy Scriptures, he pointed out that as soon as you feel that there is contradiction from one verse to another, you need to consult the higher authority in the subject. If Solomon has said something about a subject and you think that St Paul says otherwise, you need to believe there is no contradiction first, then ask St Paul what he meant with his statement. If you think St Paul said something different, you can also check to whom he based his statements, of course, it will be about what Jesus Christ and the Father revealed to him. Because there is no such thing as conflicting verses in the Holy Bible. You may think that it seems that there is a conflict, but when you delve deeper, you will find that each verses works together for good for those who love God.

    You said, “…Have you come to questions yourself about Matthew 24:14? Do you have brothers in Pakistan, India, Indonesia, China, Russia, Japan,
    korea, taiwan,and other countries. Can you also reveal how many countries does your church have? What about Matthew 28:19, 20. Do you do that. What does disciple means to you.Is only in hearing and not preaching?I hope you will answer all of this….”

    You mentioned faith comes by hearing. I believe that. But how can you hear? What are the things you will need to hear in order to have faith? It is by hearing the word of Jesus Christ through the people he sends. The Apostles already wrote of what God has told and commanded to Jesus Christ. We do need a reader, someone who will read to us those things.

    You try to read your comments again. Try to check which verses in my comments your leaders are not using just to enforce their beliefs in you. They try to avoid several verses because they themselves can’t explain the reason behind those verses.

    I hope you listen to Jesus Christ first, and to the Apostles who got the message from him if you doubt other verses written by the prophets. Again, when in doubt, there is a hierarchy in authority with regards to the Holy Scriptures. Listen to the true witnesses of Jesus Christ.

    2 Peter 3 (New International Version)

    10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

    11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

    12as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

    13But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

    14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

    18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

    If you can observe, St Peter is talking to his brethren. If you are, in a way, a brethren of St Peter and St Paul, you will heed to their warnings.

    I, myself will find it hard to convince you, for I am nothing. I might have missed several things to relay to you and I might have misunderstood some of your point. But try to listen to Brother Eli more as he reads the Holy Bible to you, even if it’s a recorded question and answer portion from previous TV programs of Ang Dating Daan/The Old Path. Only God can make your heart accept and can get the stupor out from your own eyes, with a reader, in the person of Brother Eli Soriano.

    I enjoin you to attend one of our Pasalamat/Thanksgiving and Prayer Meetings, so you would find the answer to your question, not by hearsay, but by personally seeing and hearing them as being discussed by our Presiding Minister Eli Soriano, and Vice-Presiding Minister Daniel Razon.

    I hope and I pray that God will have mercy on you to understand all these.

  37. elmantheman
    June 14, 2009 9:17 am

    As a member, if one can weigh the verses used and the verses of the Holy Bible we have presented here, then one will know the True God and his name, not the invented god Jehovah. How come some people follows a spurious name when in fact, it’s their book that testifies as such?

    This Marlon/fromthesunrising is so thick face that he himself can’t understand how spurious the name of his god is. Unless he is a preacher too and he has financial gain in what he is doing. I won’t even be surprise once he came out with a book of his own. He is more aggressive than that one Brother Eli debated with. And I know Marlon was brainwashed. Why? They have the books below, and those books have a forewored, warning everyone that they wrote an invented name for God. And now, here he is, telling as that he talks of the truth.

    Principal doctrinal handbook of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, “Reasoning From the Scriptures,” published in 1985, page 192 –

    Hence some moderns have framed the name of Jehovah, unknown to all the ancients, whether Jews or Christians; for the true pronunciation of the name, which is in Hebrew text, by long disuse is now quite lost.

    New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society for Jehovah’s Witnesses on February 9, 1950, page 23 –

    While inclining to view the pronunciation “Yah-weh” as the MORE CORRECT way, we have retained the form “Jehovah” because of PEOPLE’S FAMILIARITY with it since the 14TH CENTURY.

    WATCH IN YOUTUBE: Ang Dating Daan Hong Kong Bible Exposition PART 8

    And since yahweh and jehovah are invented words, we believe that the name Father is what a child calls his Father. And that is what Jesus Christ taught us.

    Matthew 23:9 (New International Version)

    9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

  38. elmantheman
    June 14, 2009 8:09 pm

    Marlon/fromthesunrising,

    You sure are debating here, you do not want an answer. You even jump from one topic to another without any regard to those readers who have no idea of what you are talking about.

    Sure, your reason of commenting here is to debate not to ask questions. As I said previously, you have preconceived ideas already and you are not open to any biblical and logical answers. I have enough of your senseless same old accusations towards our leader in faith and I won’t allow it anymore in my blog.

    Since you claim that I cannot answer your questions, then move on! If the videos I placed here are not enough to answer your questions, then you have a lot of options left, I am not stopping you proceeding to our Presiding Minister, it is my pleasure that you are learning more of the faith he carries through this blog and videos.

    If you want a debate with Brother Eli Soriano, just say so. Don’t hide in the person of a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. We announce in tri-media and Internet whenever we have Bible Expositions.

    If you don’t have the means to attend due to your location, perhaps soon, in God’s will, we might have one there. If I can financially support your transportation, just so you can attend with me, then I will do that.

    And why don’t you tell us the name of your Jehovah’s Witnesses leader? Where are you based? You will not tell us, unless of course you are working beyond what you ought to do, right?

    FYI again. EYES has not shown enough proofs that he belongs to or he is a member of the Church of God, International (MCGI), where Brother Eli Soriano is the presiding minister. Eyes’ membership with MCGI remains his dubious claim.

    So, don’t bark on the wrong tree. Unless that forms part of your principle in life.

  39. elmantheman
    June 14, 2009 8:14 pm

    Going back to the topic in this post, do you know any preacher or religious leader that was given that much attention as what Brother Eli Soriano is getting?

    Though Brother Eli left the Philippines, he didn’t leave us completely because almost regularly, several times in a week, we can watch him on Internet streaming reading to us what the Apostles have written. He continues to teach us the commandments of Jesus Christ as Christians. And these he does simultaneously with our foreign brothers listening via Internet streaming. He still welcomes our brethren questions and concerns their economic and spiritual conditions. He manages matters of the Church in the Philippines, together with Brother Daniel Razon and the Ministers in Charge. While doing these, he also spends time abroad preaching during Bible Expositions and Mass Indoctrinations.

    How about you? How does your leaders communicate with you?

    Notice: I will no longer accept or approve comments that contain arguments and accusations that are baseless and unclear. You should conform to my new format below.

    Given that your comment is easy to understand, then I will make an exemption. But if you still can’t see your comments, then, re-type it in such a way that it will not be considered as spam by Akismet.

    If you can’t see your comments after you have followed all my directions, then, it means you need to send it again.

    If your comments are very long, please make sure you follow the format below going forward.

    Commenter Religion/Sect/Group Affiliation:
    Leader:
    How many years:
    Position:
    Country:
    Religion/Group/Sect In Question:
    Leader in Question:
    To whom the comment is directed:

    Topic:
    Introduction:
    1. What is the status quo?
    2. Give biblical facts/link.
    3. Definitions
    a. biblical
    b. other sources(blog/post/comment links, etc.)

    I. Subject of the topic
    A. supporting verse proof – elaborate
    1. elaborate/further supporting verse
    2. elaborate/further supporting verse
    3. elaborate/further supporting verse
    B. supporting verse proof – elaborate
    C. supporting verse proof – elaborate

    II. Body – about the Topic, why say so?
    A. supporting verse proof – elaborate
    1. elaborate/further supporting verse
    2. elaborate/further supporting verse
    3. elaborate/further supporting verse
    B. supporting verse proof – elaborate
    C. supporting verse proof – elaborate

    III. Closing.
    A. Significance
    1. supporting verse proof, elaborate
    B. Repercussion
    1. supporting verse proof, elaborate
    C. Affirmative Action
    1. supporting verse proof, elaborate

    For shorter comments:
    Please follow below format


    Commenter Religion/Sect/Group Affiliation:
    Leader:
    How many years:
    Position:
    Country:
    Religion/Group/Sect In Question:
    Leader in Question:
    To whom the comment is directed:

    I. Faith/Stand/Accusations/Status quo:
    A. biblical verses:
    B. About the Group in Question
    C. proof/video/book/link
    1. proof/video/book/link
    a. Quote/What does it states?
    2. proof/video/book/link
    a. Quote/What does it states?

    II. Your Faith/Stand
    A. biblical verses
    1. supporting verse proof
    2. supporting verse proof
    3. supporting verse proof
    B. proof/video/book/link
    C. Supplemental links, etc.
    D. Point of view (personal beliefs/human ideas/interpretations)
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    You may try to cut and past the format and start to fill it up. Afterwards, paste it in the comment box.

  40. fromthesunrising
    June 14, 2009 8:49 pm

    Elman,

    Why did you not post it?Don’t you want to see it by the viewers?Your videos are all repititions.It doesnt answer my queries to you and to your presiding minister.And of course I won’t learn to false teachings.I’m not saying all teachings of eli soriano are false however, there are some teachings which are not true.And that is why I am talking to you to expose the truth through the doctrines of Jehovah’s Witnesses.At least I have done my part in a little way even just only for the others since you are not accepting the truth.You are blind by words of eli soriano.How pity those who belong to your church and to all people who belong to false religion. Anyway , my last comment is at my blog.They can see it in my blog.Bye and thanks for accepting my other comments.

  41. fromthesunrising
    June 14, 2009 9:03 pm

    Why do I have to tell you about how we communicate with our elders or ministerial leader?You can visit on our kingdom hall and observe our gatherings.Do you think our elders (organizers of congregation)don’t have a good communication with other governing body of Watchtower in the Philippines.Of course, they
    communicate well.A lot of times within a month.But for you to know, Im just only a Bible student of them. But I know many doctrines from them cause I read their literatures.And I found it very true.And I believe that they are the ones being told in Daniel who have insights.Because they understand the majority of the books in the Bible.How about your presiding minister?Does he know about the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah and Revelation.How come the others will know it if he is not publishing it.Or he just only know the basic doctrines and yet still others are contradicting to other verses?Just emphasize again.You haven’t anser anything from my questions regarding the related words about “earth” that will exist forever.Let us end this conversation.My aim this is to let the public know the truth though you don’t accept the truth.

  42. elmantheman
    June 14, 2009 9:43 pm

    If you really aim for the truth, Marlon, please follow the format. My aim today moving forward is to present the God that I know. No matter what the benefits of the god you present, it is better to know the Giver first.

    Take for example this, you claim to know that you are looking forward to an earth. But for your information, both satan and God promised that they will give an earth. And of course, satan is lying. So, before I delve much about that earth, I want first my readers to know who my God is, the True Giver. I want them to be involved and to learn and think with me about God in biblical perspective through the readings of Brother Eli Soriano and Brother Daniel Razon. Once they get to know my God, who cannot lie, then we can move on to other topics. And as far as I am concerned, I am reviewing what I already know and trying to check what I still don’t know. So I will give a proper approach for my readers’ convenience, to make this blog audience friendly, moving forward.

    I realized that if I give a proper format to be followed by each commenter, it will benefit more my readers and it will be more productive on each parties involved because all of us can compare and weigh each others’ faith. It is up to you if you will still answer or not. For example:

    Religion/Sect/Group Affiliation: Christian/Members, Church of God International MCGI
    Leader: Brother Eli Soriano (Presiding Minister) and Brother Daniel Razon (Vice-Presiding Minister)
    How many years: 7 years (for example)
    Position: Member
    Country: (optional)
    Religion/Group/Sect In Question: Jehovah’s Witnesses
    Leader in Question: Jehovah’s Witnesses not given by Marlon/fromthesunrising
    To whom the comment is directed: Marlon/fromthesunrising

    I. Faith/Stand/Accusations/Status quo : Jehovah is a name invented by the Jehovah’s Witnesses, that is non-existent until the 14 century, though God has many names, which is not Jehovah.

    A. biblical verses:

    B. About the Group in Question May I ask Marlon to tell about the origins of Jehovah’s Witnesses in his area?

    C. proof/video/book/link

    1. Principal doctrinal handbook of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, “Reasoning From the Scriptures,” published in 1985, page 192 –
    Principal doctrinal handbook of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, “Reasoning From the Scriptures,” published in 1985, page 192 –

    a. Quote/What does it states?
    Hence some moderns have framed the name of Jehovah, unknown to all the ancients, whether Jews or Christians; for the true pronunciation of the name, which is in Hebrew text, by long disuse is now quite lost.

    2. New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society for Jehovah’s Witnesses on February 9, 1950, page 23 –

    a. Quote/What does it states?
    While inclining to view the pronunciation “Yah-weh” as the MORE CORRECT way, we have retained the form “Jehovah” because of PEOPLE’S FAMILIARITY with it since the 14TH CENTURY.

    II. Your Faith/Stand : God has many names. One example is Father

    A. biblical verses

    1. Matthew 23:9 (New International Version)
    9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven

    2. Isaiah 63:16
    For thou art our father, though Abraham knoweth us not, and Israel doth not acknowledge us: thou, O LORD, art our father; our redeemer from everlasting is thy name.

    3. Matthew 6:9
    After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

    B. proof/video/book/link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FayIZJnd2o
    WATCH IN YOUTUBE: Ang Dating Daan Hong Kong Bible Exposition PART 8

    C. Supplemental links, etc. http://phillipgarcia.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/jehovah-is-not-the-name-of-the-god-of-the-bible/

    D. Point of view (personal belief/human ideas/interpretation): I have learned the Holy Bible since I was a kid as a Born Again Christian. I heard Brother Eli Soriano in TV and radio and from my father, a preacher, who talks about him. But when I started to listen to Brother Eli Soriano’s readings of the Holy Bible, I realized that he is telling the truth because only then that the verses I learned and read from the bible started to have a concrete form, my faith becomes as clear as a crystal. It’s like a puzzle, the Holy Bible, from the book of Genesis to the book of Revelation, with pieces being placed together in its proper, logical, biblical, that is, truthful perspective for Christians with the help of God through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

    E. Question/Clarification If your books said that the name Jehovah is a spurious name, why do you still conform to it? Haven’t you read that book I mentioned above, for example, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society for Jehovah’s Witnesses on February 9, 1950, page 23 –? Aren’t you using those books anymore?

  43. elmantheman
    June 15, 2009 3:46 pm

    Everyone, please follow the comment format above.

  44. elmantheman
    June 20, 2009 4:49 pm

    fromthesunrising, where are your stints?

  45. elmantheman
    August 10, 2009 5:40 pm

    All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth.

    People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own.

    If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.

    Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

    These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised.

    God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

    Hebrews 11:13-16, 39-40 (New International Version)

    See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

    Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

    And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

    Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

    For our God is a consuming fire.

    Hebrews 12:25-29 (King James Version)

    And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

    for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;

    and there was no more sea.

    Revelation 21:1 (King James Version)

  46. fromthesunrising
    September 1, 2009 7:40 pm

    tingnan mo si ____ ____ look for example ____ ____ tigok na baka kasi… is deceased already i think the reason is… …malay mo lang ha… …I just guess so… … im so much happy talaga…. … im really so much happy….

  47. elmantheman
    September 4, 2009 10:46 pm

    Proverbs 24:17 (NIV)

    17 Do not gloat when your enemy falls;
    when he stumbles, do not let your heart rejoice,

    Pro 24:17 (VUL) cum ceciderit inimicus tuus ne gaudeas et in ruina eius ne exultet cor tuum

    Pro 24:17 (KJV) Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:

    Heart

    Strong’s H3820 – leb לב

    1) inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding

    a) inner part, midst

    1) midst (of things)

    2) heart (of man)

    3) soul, heart (of man)

    4) mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory

    5) inclination, resolution, determination (of will)

    6) conscience

    7) heart (of moral character)

    8 ) as seat of appetites

    9) as seat of emotions and passions

    10) as seat of courage

  48. fromthesunrising
    September 18, 2009 8:22 pm

    it’s time to open your eyes people.dont be fooled by fool people….just saying truth ha….ako (am a) fool bacause yet i am doing this to open the mind of the people not like you noh!! mabait nga kayo(?) you’re good(?) but pero nanlilinlang kayo. you deceive. so wala kaung nasasave that’s why you save no one pero buti pa me baka meron di ba???? as for me, I might save someone???? hahahhaha… sino ngaun ang mabuti sa atin sige nga sagutin nyo??? tell me who is more good between us now, try to answer me??? o baka naman kontrahin nyo pa or will you might just opposed what I said read na lang again my blogs paulit-ulit and get a linguist na makakaintindi ng mga salita ko at bible verses ko di ba? who can understand my words and my bible verses right? ung hindi engot kagaya nyo ha baka sumanib sa inyo eh may masamang espiritu pa naman kau..ahahahahaha…. ..lol….

  49. elmantheman
    September 21, 2009 1:18 pm

    They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1:16

    Pagkatapos, binuksan niya ang kanilang mga pang-unawa upang maunawaan nila ang mga kasulatan.
    Lucas 24:45

    Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. Luke 24:45

    Mga kapatid, ang mabuting kaluguran ng aking puso at dalangin sa Diyos para sa Israel ay maligtas sila
    Mga Taga-Roma 10:1 (Ang Salita ng Diyos)

    Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
    Romans 10:1

    Narito, may isang lalaking lumapit sa kaniya at sinabi: Mabuting guro, anong mabuting bagay na dapat kong gawin upang magkaroon ako ng buhay na walang hanggan?

    Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

    Sinabi niya sa kaniya: Bakit tinatawag mo akong mabuti? Walang mabuti kundi isa lamang at iyon ay ang Diyos. Ngunit yamang ibig mong pumasok sa buhay, sundin mo ang mga utos.
    Mateo 19:16-17

    17″Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”
    Mathew 19:16-17

    when you, O God, rose up to judge, to save all the afflicted of the land. Selah
    Psalm 76:9

    who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
    1 Timothy 2:4

  50. fromthesunrising
    September 21, 2009 8:55 pm

    oi ah hindi me member ng jw. i am not a member of jehovahs witnesses. i am not baptized. at hindi me nag iistudy ngaun. and I am not into studying at the present. (I) stop me muna… kaya (so) you cannot say that i am part of them. i am just telling what i have learned from them and some i have presented were on my personal study. just want to protect the jw affiliations… im not good noh and they know it. they know me kaya hahahaha… that’s why lol… read my blogs ha…. and weigh every words words i presented….

  51. elmantheman
    September 21, 2009 9:10 pm

    Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:7

    Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
    1 Thessalonians 2:16

    Every prudent man acts out of knowledge,
    but a fool exposes his folly. Proverbs 13:16 (New International Version)

    A truthful witness saves lives,
    but a false witness is deceitful. Proverbs 14:25

    One man pretends to be rich, yet has nothing; another pretends to be poor, yet has great wealth. Proverbs 13:7

    A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal,
    but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel. Proverbs 12:10

    Keeping a close watch on him, they sent spies, who pretended to be honest. They hoped to catch Jesus in something he said so that they might hand him over to the power and authority of the governor. Luke 20:20

    As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
    1 John 2:27

    Ang pagkakaloob sa inyo na inyong tinanggap mula sa kaniya ay nananatili sa inyo at hindi na kayo kailangang turuan ninuman. Ito ring pagkakaloob na ito ang siyang nagtuturo sa inyo patungkol sa lahat ng bagay. Ito ay totoo at hindi ito kasinungalingan. At kung papaanong tinuruan kayo nito, manatili kayo sa kaniya.
    1 Juan 2:27 (Ang Salita ng Diyos)

    This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

    Command and teach these things.

    Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.

    Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching.

    Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.

    Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress.

    Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
    1 Timothy 4:9-16

    Ingatan mo ang iyong sarili at ang pagtuturo. Manatili ka sa mga bagay na ito. Kung gagawin mo ito, maililigtas mo ang iyong sarili at ang mga makikinig sa iyo.
    1 Kay Timoteo 4:16 (Ang Salita ng Diyos)

    Ang pagibig ay maging walang pagpapaimbabaw. Kapootan ninyo ang masama; makisanib kayo sa mabuti.

    Sa pagibig sa mga kapatid ay mangagmahalan kayo; sa kapurihan ay ipagpauna ng isa’t isa ang iba; Huwag mga tamad sa pagsusumikap; maningas sa espiritu; mapaglingkod sa Panginoon; Mangagalak sa pagasa; magmatiisin sa kapighatian; magmatiyagain sa pananalangin; Mapagdamay sa mga kailangan ng mga banal; maging mapagpatuloy.

    Pagpalain ninyo ang mga sa inyo’y nagsisiusig; pagpalain ninyo, at huwag ninyong sumpain.

    Makigalak kayo sa nangagagalak; makiiyak kayo sa nagsisiiyak. Mangagkaisa kayo ng pagiisip. Huwag ninyong ilagak ang inyong pagiisip sa mga bagay na kapalaluan, kundi makiayon kayo sa mga bagay na may kapakumbabaan. Huwag kayong mga pantas sa inyong sariling mga haka.

    Huwag kayong mangagbayad sa kanino man ng masama sa masama. Isipin ninyo ang mga bagay na kapuripuri sa harapan ng lahat ng mga tao. Kung maaari, ayon sa inyong makakaya, ay magkaroon kayo ng kapayapaan sa lahat ng mga tao.

    Huwag kayong mangaghigantihan, mga iniibig, kundi bigyan ninyong daan ang galit ng Dios: sapagka’t nasusulat, Akin ang paghihiganti; ako ang gaganti, sabi ng Panginoon.

    Kaya’t kung ang iyong kaaway ay magutom, pakanin mo; kung siya’y mauhaw, painumin mo: sapagka’t sa paggawa mo ng gayon ay mga baga ng apoy ang ibubunton mo sa kaniyang ulo.

    Huwag kang padaig sa masama, kundi bagkus daigin mo ng mabuti ang masama.
    Mga Taga-Roma 12:9

    Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Romans 12:9

    Let me share you what I learned from God through Bro. Eli when he read the Holy Bible to us recently. It teaches how to grow in faith and with the brethren. I hope you’ll join us, God willing, so you will no longer be a loner and will no longer be a student who relies on his own understading.

    I know Bro. Eli and his brotherly love is not only by words but also by action, as he reiterated many times the qualities that we need to strive hard adding to our faith; he even gave us a mneumonic of these in tagalog, that is, 3Ks, 3Ps, and an M to make sure that we remember them.

    By doing this, we will be effective and productive in our knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    To wit:

    (1) Kagalingan – goodness,

    (2) Kaalaman – knowledge,

    (3) Kabanalan – godliness,

    (4) Pagpipigil – self-control,

    (5) Pagtitiis – perseverance,

    (6) Pag-ibig – love,

    (7) Mabuting Kalooban sa Kapatidbrotherly kindness.

    2 Peter 1 Tagalog: Ang Dating Biblia (1905)

    For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. 2 Peter 1

    An Irony revealed in the MCGI Thanksgiving to the God of Israel

    May God bless you so you can join us in MCGI, to be part of the grateful nation in this times to the Living God, the God of Israel, in the name of Jesus Christ.

    And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

    Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

    And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.


    And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

    Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

    The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it. Jeremiah 30:19-24

    I am nothing, a worthless servant. Thanks be and Glory be to The Living God!

  52. elmantheman
    October 25, 2009 10:11 am

    Verse of the Day

    “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near.

    Matthew 24:32 (NIV)

  53. fromthesunrising
    October 27, 2009 6:09 pm

    All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth.

    People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own.

    If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.

    Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

    These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised.

    God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

    Hebrews 11:13-16, 39-40 (New International Version)

    See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

    Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

    And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

    Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

    For our God is a consuming fire.

    Hebrews 12:25-29 (King James Version)

    And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

    for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;

    and there was no more sea.

    Revelation 21:1 (King James Version)

    I will discuss this matter to you… sooner or later… you are all going to shake in the truth.

    just wait and see…

  54. JEHNU/fromthesunrising
    October 31, 2009 9:01 pm

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    I WON’T BE RUDE TO YOU ANYMORE…

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June 6, 2009 6:43 am

I have read that blog of eli soriano.I have sent my comment on him yet he did not answer it. I don’t know why.I just presented my point of view. I have a coming blog to say why Isaiah 43:10 really stands for witnesses of God today.I have a clear explanation about witnesses of Jesus. I just hope you will read it from my site.In regards to the name of God, I have written a blog on my site entitled “The Divine Name:To Use or Not To Use It”. Kindly read it. And also my blogs “Future Rulers of the World-Who Are They?” an exposition based from the insights of Jehovah’s Witnesses in accordance to biblical basis.Perhaps you can examine it and free to comment on what does it really teaches. I suggest you read all my blogs.I would be willing to discuss matters in line with the religion.Thanks anyway for your response even it is only in a video format.

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  1. December 8, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Again, this conversation through comments arose in the author’s post entitled, “The Biblical Preacher that Can’t be Denied” . The comments here are very long and the author (elmantheman) answered the accusations and arguments commented by fromthesunrising, who said later on that he is not a member of the Jehovah’s Witness.

    So that English speaking readers can understand, some of fromthesunrising‘s Filipino or Tagalog comments were translated in English.

    You can visit the link here https://elmantheman.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/the-biblical-preacher-that-cant-be-denied/

    One thing I realized about this “fromthesunrising” from his writing, he has doubts in the doctrines of JW’s that’s why he might be zealot in teaching it but doesn’t have the courage to join that sect, if not confirm his true membership.

    John 8:44 NIV
    You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

    Matthew 4 (New International Version)

    1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.

    8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9″All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

    10Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

    11Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

    A member of JW or not, I wish “fromthesunrising” that God bless him, call him to His church, which is the Church of God; the Church of the True Witnesses, the Apostles which include St. Paul and St. Peter.

    1 Timothy 3:15 NIV
    if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

    1 Corinthians 11:16 NIV
    If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.

    1 Corinthians 15:9
    For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

    2 Peter 3 (New International Version)

    10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

    11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

    12as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

    13But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

    14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

    15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

    18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

    I am nothing.

    Thanks be to God!

  2. December 29, 2010 at 1:20 am

    fromthesunrising, if you have a problem regarding your 2nd to the last comment on the author’s post entitled, “The Biblical Preacher that Can’t be Denied”, then please feel free to post the correction here. Please send the correction as a comment below, likewise following a format shown below:

    Please post the correction of my 2nd to the last comment
    from…

    fromthesunrising
    October 27, 2009 6:09 pm
    ” _______
    .
    .
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    ________.”

    to…

    fromthesunrising
    October 27, 2009 6:09 pm
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    ________.”

    Thanks be to God!

  3. January 27, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Fromthesunrising,

    You don’t need to tell me more than four times. You just need to put your correction in this manner and I will immediately rectify it:

    Please send the correction as a comment below, likewise following a format shown below:

    Please post the correction of my 2nd to the last comment
    from…

    fromthesunrising
    October 27, 2009 6:09 pm
    ” _______
    .
    .
    .
    ________.”

    to…

    fromthesunrising
    October 27, 2009 6:09 pm
    ” _______
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    ________.”

    Thanks be to God!

    If you really believe in JW is right, why until now you’re not a member of JW?

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