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Priest Abe Arganiosa, the Catholic Defender of Idol Worship, the moment of truth: to debate or not to debate Bro. Eli on TV

Jeremiah 18:15, 18 NIV

15 Yet my people have forgotten me;
they burn incense to worthless idols,
which made them stumble in their ways
and in the ancient paths
.
They made them walk in bypaths
and on roads not built up
.

18They said, “Come, let’s make plans against Jeremiah; for the teaching of the law by the priest will not be lost, nor will counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophets. So come, let’s attack him with our tongues and pay no attention to anything he says.”

This is my third time to post about my comment to the author Priest Abraham “Abe” Arganiosa, CRS of the blog, “The Splendor of the Church“ who wrote “UPDATE ON CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL or ANG DATING DAAN SECT.” Below are my suggestions to him.

I suggest that Mr. Abe clarify if he believes that Bro. Eli is guilty of what he tackles here. If he does, then please tell us why. When he said that he thinks he is showing the signs of being guilty, was this his sole opinion or the opinion of his neophytes or some anonymous? If he doesn’t, then what is his own opinion or even belief about Bro. Eli? Especially, given the fact of how his case was dismissed then re-filed again.

Fr. Abe, CRS said… “PICTURES DO NOT LIE BUT YOU ARE. YOU HAVE SEEN A LARGE MAN IN THE PICTURE AND YOU JUDGE IT AS OBESE….”

Precisely, I suggest that Mr. Abe keep himself away from the issues he has no personal knowledge of, just like how he wanted those who have no personal knowledge of his well being neither of his gluttony. We see a picture of him.

Deuteronomy 21:20 KJV
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

Without accepting that Bro. Eli is guilty, as Mr. Abe portrayed him to be, while he himself is portrayed as glutton by some of his followers, and refused to be called one, then, let us not touch these sins yet, and let us focus for clarity of Priest Abe’s intentions.

Fr. Abe, CRS said… “Quite obvious Bro. Aegis-Judex. He has not guts and no moral fortitude. As Bro. Parabanog repeatedly declares Eli is showing sigs of being guilty.”

I suggest that Priest Abe should stay away from his neophytes whom he considered as the sources of his impression that condemns Bro. Eli. I will tell him later the reason.

I suggest to Priest Abe to also stay away from Wilfredo Santiago’s issues, neither to the INC if they were also his sources of his belief. I will tell him later the reason.

Proverbs 26:17
Like one who seizes a dog by the ears is a passer-by who meddles in a quarrel not his own.

If Priest Abe thinks that he doesn’t deserve to be called a glutton, then why is he maltreating Bro. Eli? Why not try to consider the real issues here, is this his fight or not? Is this his quarrel or not?

The issues here is neither that Bro. Eli nor Mr. Abe are guilty or showing the signs of guilt. The issues here are as follows:

1. If Mr. Abe personally wants to help the victim, Daniel Veridiano, then, what is his purpose?

2. Whether Mr. Abe is riding in the popularity of the most sensible preacher of this time or not.

3. If Mr. Abe is just trying to relay what he heard from his neophytes like Beltran, OP or Parabanog or his brother Aegis-Judex; and, or from Wilfredo Santiago; and, or from the Iglesia ni Manalo, then what is the purpose of talking about a court case that was dismissed for having no merit?

Going back to the first issue, if Mr. Abe personally wants to help the victim, Daniel Veridiano, then, what is his purpose?

If the goal of Mr. Abe is to help Daniel Veridiano, then, it is but proper that he mentions that Mr. Veridiano was also accused of raping some ADD brothers. If these brothers are victims too, then, who is he really concerned with?

In this analogy, it will reveal that Mr. Abe is directly against Bro. Eli, by how much and in what way, he can’t say directly, he would need gossipers to prove his point.

It is a fact, that Bro. Eli Soriano’s case was dismissed and it was justified that retaliation was the cause of such legal suit. Once it was re-filed by former Secretary of Justice Raul Gonzalez, then talking about the Merit of the case would put Bro. Eli in contempt. But these facts rolled off Mr. Abe like water off a duck’s back.

On the second issue, whether Mr. Abe is riding in the popularity of the most sensible preacher of this time or not, may I suggest that Mr. Abe scrutinize himself and ask himself why write such vilification against Bro. Eli?

Jeremiah 18:15, 18 NIV

15 Yet my people have forgotten me;
they burn incense to worthless idols,
which made them stumble in their ways
and in the ancient paths
.
They made them walk in bypaths
and on roads not built up
.

18They said, “Come, let’s make plans against Jeremiah; for the teaching of the law by the priest will not be lost, nor will counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophets. So come, let’s attack him with our tongues and pay no attention to anything he says.”

As a writer of such vilification, why is Mr. Abe using his neophytes’ gossips and the like against such a man already undergone such humiliation and trial by publicity? He was even using Mr. Veridiano, whom the court ruled that his purpose of filing law suit against Bro. Eli was to retaliate when he was ex-communicated from the Church.

We have no personal knowledge of Mr. Abe being a glutton. We have a picture, yes he is one of the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church. But if he wanted to prove that he is not, then, there is a proper place we can arrange for the present consideration, which I will tackle later.

Lastly, if Mr. Abe is just trying to relay what he heard from his neophyte, Wilfredo Santiago, and INC, then what is the purpose of doing such?

1 Thessalonians 2:4
On the contrary, we speak as men approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please men but God, who tests our hearts.

In this regard, I wanted to point out two points that Mr. Abe has failed to explain, was he pleasing God or was he pleasing men? I gave him a lot of verses above (previous comments) but one thing he didn’t answer, about Pontius Pilate.

Matthew 27:18 NIV
For he knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him.

Mr. Abe even has neophytes who kept on bugging him to have something to do with the innocent Bro. Eli.

Priest Abe acted as Pontius Pilate against Bro. Eli and not only the gossipers and the other groups wanted him to have the same belief, but he carries such belief. If Mr. Abe sees Bro. Eli guilty of the crime, it would mean that Daniel Veridiano is the innocent one.

And if Daniel Veridiano is the innocent one, what is his concern with this man, is Daniel Veridiano a Catholic? Daniel Veridiano is an INC. Maybe, he wanted a world where different groups live together, praising different gods. But no, he also fights against INC.

In summary, it’s clear that by putting down the innocent man, Mr. Abe is hitting two birds in one stone. Mr. Abe even mentioned of the “Art of War.” If Bro. Eli is put into prison, or given to the INC, then, good riddance, right?
It shows that Mr. Abe has a game plan; it is not really to face Bro. Eli, but to get rid of him.

If that is the kind of game plan, or “Art of War” he sees his neophytes are getting good at, would it be the same that these neophytes knows Priest Abe’s game plan?

1 Thessalonians 2:16
in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.

Jeremiah 18:15, 18 NIV

15 Yet my people have forgotten me;
they burn incense to worthless idols,
which made them stumble in their ways
and in the ancient paths
.
They made them walk in bypaths
and on roads not built up
.

18They said, “Come, let’s make plans against Jeremiah; for the teaching of the law by the priest will not be lost, nor will counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophets. So come, let’s attack him with our tongues and pay no attention to anything he says.”

Mr. Abe, is not in the position to say who has and has no guts or moral fortitude, because he have shown how he washed his hand.

It is evident that he already succumbed to a clamor. And what is that clamor? The clamor of a group of people who wanted Bro. Eli punished as guilty, when he is innocent. To Priest Abe, it is better to say that Bro. Eli is guilty, because it is easier for him to portray him guilty than to tell his brethren to hush. Why?

If Priest Abe considers himself as a kind of leader placed by God, then he should practice what he preach:

Romans 3:4
Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

May I suggest to Priest Abe that when he speaks, he should consider that in our present dispensation, whether he deny the fact that there are groups that wanted Bro. Eli dead or not, he should think of the greater good and the conservation of life, not just because I said so, but because it is his Catholic stand, that Pope John Paul II was sorry for, because he offended that since time immemorial.

At least may I suggest that Mr. Abe proves to us that he support such Catholic stand or even his Pope. Or his reverence to his Pope has its limits, just by words not in deeds?

Jeremiah 26:7-8 NIV
The priests, the prophets and all the people heard Jeremiah speak these words in the house of the LORD. But as soon as Jeremiah finished telling all the people everything the LORD had commanded him to say, the priests, the prophets and all the people seized him and said, “You must die!

Is Priest Abe sure that when he face Bro. Eli in front of Iglesia ni Cristo Palace, both of them are safe? If there’s any doubt to the safety of them both, then, isn’t it best to debate on live TV broadcast?

Fr. Abe, CRS said… “WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? YES, I AM WILLING TO DEBATE HIM. WE SHALL DEBATE ONCE HE RETURNS TO THE PHILIPPINES. WE CAN EVEN DEBATE WHILE HE IS INSIDE HIS PRISON CELL.”

Fr. Abe, CRS said… “JESUS DIDN’T HIDE. HE ULTIMATELY FACED HIS ACCUSERS THAT LED TO HIS CRUCIFIXION. HE FACED HEROD, PILATE, ANNAS AND CAIAPHAS. WHY CANT SORIANO FACE THAT MAN?”

Mr. Abe, the hypocrite, surely knows Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and yet, he wants something similar to take place. He is not worried of his life because MCGI are not taught to fight tooth for tooth. It is but himself who showed us that his support to anti-violence and pro-life is but a lip service. Maybe he hasn’t considered what he will be when he lose the debate on TV, it’s his own party that he will have to face, and he is avoiding what’s coming to him after the debate.

Fr. Abe, CRS said…“DEFINITELY YES. I CAN EVEN DEBATE HIM FACE TO FACE RIGHT IN FRONT OF INC CENTRAL TEMPLE IN COMMONWEALTH IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. AND WE CAN EVEN INVITE THE JUDGE OF HIS SEXUAL CASES TO BE THE MODERATOR. HA, HA, HA… THAT WILL BE VERY EXCITING.”

Priest Abe is a defender of the Catholic beliefs in his own right, a host of his TV show. Why is it that he is making it sound that all he had worked hard for with his arguments defending his Catholic beliefs are all for nothing? Can he not show the same caliber that he shown to his followers on TV, when he finally debates Bro. Eli on TV? All he had worked hard for will finally pay-off for the moment of truth is at hand if he faced Bro. Eli on TV broadcast, live.

Let’s put it this way Mr. Abe is being used, he is the other bird. Technology is much safer when it comes to debate, broadcasting from two stations. Through a debate where everyone is safe from harm from third parties, we will find out who is approved of God, Priest Abe or Bro. Eli.

(I told Mr. Abe that I will again publish this 4-part comment in my blogs and, or put it as a comment at christiandefenders.wordpress.com)

To God be the glory.

Categories: religion
  1. April 18, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    Priest Abe Arganiosa, why didn’t you include our comments when you tranferred from blogspot to your new website? Shame on you!

    http://www.splendorofthechurch.com.ph/2013/09/17/update-on-church-of-god-international-or-ang-dating-daan-sect-by-father-abe-arganiosa/

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