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Can an Atheist and or the like see God?

Luke 13 (New International Version)

 34“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 35Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'”

There are ideologies that seemed to have evolved, some you call atheism, others paganism, while some are almost under atheism or paganism but obviously, more ideologies sprouted from it like mushrooms, similar to some fungus that never need the light to grow then populates some areas in the dark.  Of course, some mushrooms are nutritious (for the time being, as science progress),  but the rest are fatal for the body. Some mushrooms even give hallucinations.

6d60, it seemed that one post from you is not enough to rebuild your stand and arguments against this house. And finding out that your second post, even the first one, block me from answering leave me no choice but to answer you from my own blog and comments area. Do you block me from your blog or you just do not allow readers to comment on your arguments? What a way to conveniently debate and argue!

Luke 15:

 1Now the tax collectors and “sinners” were all gathering around to hear him. 2But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.”

 3Then Jesus told them this parable: 4“Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ 7I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

6d60, you forgot to mention or ignored the fact that most of your arguments about homosexuality and the Holy Bible were crushed specifically by the Holy Bible itself. Your arguments are all plain, basic arguments of individuals who tried to make the bible devoid of truth and reality.

Let me just quote you 6d60, and let us see how you mastered hypocrisy:

“One thing I do know is that thinking one is superior only leads to hatred. And than can never be a good thing if we want to live in a peaceful world.”

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No, I can not see how useful and truthful the Bible is. I know you believe it to be truthful, however, and I respect that. However, naming a subject and then finding a bible verse that vaguely talks about it does not imply truthfulness. You must understand that although you believe it to be true, I do not.”

If you really are truthful to your readers 6d60, you might as well enable a link from my post which you are tackling in your post and allow yours truly access to your comments area so we can discuss further. You are curious just as you said. But don’t make it too obvious that your statements are plain rhetorics.

6d60 said, “…Oh, and by the way, elmantheman, I’m a guy, just so you know. I am curious, however, how one is to be both gay and Christian. For it says in Leviticus, and I quote, “Homosexual acts are an abomination to God.” -18:22. And, of course, “If a man has sex with another man, kill them both.” 20:13.

Now I of course find that extremely offenseive and must resist the urge to burn the copy of the Bible I just referred to. And I’m sure this must offend you, as a homosexual, at least as much, if not more than it does me. So tell me, how do you still keep a Christian faith? Do you just conveinently ignore that part? I mean, some of the Bible is open to interperitation, but there’s pretty much no way you could interperit that differently.

So if you do ignore those parts of the Bible, does that not shake the entire foundations of the Christian faith? If you know in your heart that that part isn’t right, don’t you start thinking some of, if not all the rest of it might not be right either? And then how do you know what to believe? Not to mention, of course, the bible’s numerous inconsistancies, continuity errors, other things that are grossly immoral, and just plain absurdities (I would point them out, but the work has been done for me at http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/).

I’m sorry this turned into a kind of mini-essay, but I am genuinely scientifically curious as to how a homosexual can be a Christian.”

Right 6d60, you can deliver your essays, rhetorics, and rebuildings but it is blatant that you are not genuinely scientifically curious to know the answers. You thought I was offended by how you introduced me in your posts, referring to me as a homosexual, predefined by you, insinuating how being one can make me disregard the Holy Bible.

One thing is for sure 6d60, you love scaramouche that you are prepared to accept what that woman prefers and believes in and always ready to defend her beliefs. But since you thought that the Holy Bible is totally against her, without studying it with a knowledgeable person, you started believing to your own opinion and invention and make a logic out of it. For example, to quote you again, 6d60:

“No, I can not see how useful and truthful the Bible is. I know you believe it to be truthful, however, and I respect that. However, naming a subject and then finding a bible verse that vaguely talks about it does not imply truthfulness. You must understand that although you believe it to be true, I do not.”

6d60, when that is your belief, who will believe your arguments? Who will believe you, your same feathers?

As for myself, I am ready to fight myself, my own pride and ego, I am willing to let go of my belief just so the truth remains the truth. And the clash here, you would not believe the Holy Bible, and in fact you believe that you are most likely wrong in many things?

Colossians 2:6-8

So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

Let me just re-post here my previous reply to you, 6d60:

But then again, if you felt that the misquotes I’ve done which you feel imputed on you, well read them again. Maybe those are not misquotes most especially not a reference to you, but to those who are concerned.

1 Thessalonians 2:3
For the appeal we make does not spring from error or impure motives, nor are we trying to trick you.
You can take away what I said even the Title of the Books, the Chapters, and the verses, just let the scripture remain from those verses, the messages remains true.

I am leaving my link here. Thanks for the space!

https://elmantheman.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/how-a-homosexual-can-be-a-christian/

Let me leave some verses to you and your company.

Luke 13 (New International Version)

 1Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on themdo you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

 6Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. 7So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’

 8” ‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. 9If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’ ”

Luke 14 (New International Version)

 34“Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? 35It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out.
      “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

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