Tradition of men, not of Christians

My comment found from a post entitled, “Doers And Not Hearers Only : James 1:19-27“:

How about the idols in your Roman Catholic Churches? Why are they still there? Is it not a commandment not to make graven images and bowing – worshipping to them?

Allow me to paste here the passages:

Exodus 23:

24 Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces. 25 Worship the LORD your God, and his blessing will be on your food and water. I will take away sickness from among you, 26 and none will miscarry or be barren in your land. I will give you a full life span.

Jeremiah 10

1 Hear what the LORD says to you, O house of Israel. 2 This is what the LORD says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the sky,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel
.

4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.

5 Like a scarecrow in a melon patch,
their idols cannot speak;
they must be carried
because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them;
they can do no harm
nor can they do any good.”

6 No one is like you, O LORD;
you are great,
and your name is mighty in power.

7 Who should not revere you,
O King of the nations?
This is your due.
Among all the wise men of the nations
and in all their kingdoms,
there is no one like you.

8 They are all senseless and foolish;
they are taught by worthless wooden idols.

9 Hammered silver is brought from Tarshish
and gold from Uphaz.
What the craftsman and goldsmith have made
is then dressed in blue and purple—
all made by skilled workers.

10 But the LORD is the true God;
he is the living God, the eternal King.
When he is angry, the earth trembles;
the nations cannot endure his wrath.

11 “Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’ ”

12 But God made the earth by his power;
he founded the world by his wisdom
and stretched out the heavens by his understanding.

13 When he thunders, the waters in the heavens roar;
he makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth.
He sends lightning with the rain
and brings out the wind from his storehouses.

14 Everyone is senseless and without knowledge;
every goldsmith is shamed by his idols.
His images are a fraud;
they have no breath in them.

15 They are worthless, the objects of mockery;
when their judgment comes, they will perish.

16 He who is the Portion of Jacob is not like these,
for he is the Maker of all things,
including Israel, the tribe of his inheritance—
the LORD Almighty is his

What about the commandment?

Exodus 20
1And God spake all these words, saying,

2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Do you know that in Quiapo, Philippines when the Roman Catholic exhibits and parade their graven images, people get killed just to be able to grab a rope to pull the idols from one place to another? How did they die? They collapse and some get walked upon to death. It is an accident by the way, they died for nothing just to be able to follow your tradition which is against God’s commandment. And your post contradicts what your Roman Catholic church preaches.
Are you the doer of God’s commandment or the doer of your Roman Catholic traditions?

Just evident to their ideas how far they are willing to go:

(Romans 10:2-3) For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

What does the verses above teach us?  People make graven images but then again, they bow down to them, more so, they sell them. Some buys these idols and places them on an altar with lighted candles on the sides, then the buyer kneels and bows down to it.  Is it not this ridiculous?  The maker bows down to his creation, the merchandise.  But these idols and graven images are made of paper, woods and stones, and even now plastics and fiber glasses.  And how come people do these things?  Well they follow their own righteousness and ideas instead of God’s righteousness.  And who do teaches these things or allow this things to happen, the authorities in the churches of the dead!

(Jeremiah 23:30) Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbor.

(Isaiah 56:11) Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

Time and again, what the bible said is proven to be true.

(1 Corinthians 2:6) Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to naught…

Thus, God said:

(1 Corinthians 1:19) For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Reference

All Aboard in the Journey to the World of Truth

The doctrine of the Catholic Church regarding the use of sacred images is clearly and fully expressed by the General Council of Trent in the following words: “The images of Christ, and of His Virgin Mother, and of other Saints, are to be had and retained, especially in churches; and a due honor and veneration is to be given to them; not that any divinity or virtue is believed to be in them for which they are to be honored, or that any prayer is to be made to them, or that any confidence is to be placed in them, as was formerly done by the heathens, who placed their hopes in idols; but because the honor which is given them is referred to the originals which they represent, so that by the images which we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness they represent.”[Sess. xxv.]

Reference  

The Faith of Our Fathers XV. Sacred Images

But then again, the circus of explanation and reason of retaining such symbols fall under many categories like representation, comparisson, a need for faith to survive, etc, to the extent of contradicting the doctrine by the General Council of Trent.  But they are all hiding in their own righteousness, not of God’s righteousness.

And please do not address me as needing to understand your Church that teaches its members to bow down on idols made by the hands of men through catechism and traditions. Which are these idols? These are the graven images of your Jesus, Mary, Apostles, etc.

If you do not know this, try to check your Catholic books. And if you will attest that bowing to the graven images is purely veneration, then I say you really are like your popes.

When John tried to worship the angel, the angel quickly said:

Revelations 19:10

At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

Exodus 23:24

Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces. 25 Worship the LORD your God, and his blessing will be on your food and water. I will take away sickness from among you, 26 and none will miscarry or be barren in your land. I will give you a full life span.

Acts 17:29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by man’s design and skill. 30In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.”

  1. September 24, 2007 at 7:06 am

    “How about the idols in your Roman Catholic Churches? Why are they still there? Is it not a commandment not to make graven images and bowing – worshipping to them?”

    There are no idols in my Church. There are however, statues of great saints throughout history there helping to remind us to persevere in the faith as they did. We also ask that they pray for us to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit for our needs, for strength in trials, just like I ask my brothers and sisters here on earth to pray for me and my family.

    “And your post contradicts what your Roman Catholic church preaches.”
    No, my post doesn’t contradict the teachings of the Church. If you knew the Church’s true teaching was you would know that. Instead, you choose to live in ignorance and deny the truth, you are acting like the Pharisees in this matter; hearing and not listening.

    Are you the doer of God’s commandment or the doer of your Roman Catholic traditions?
    Yes! I am a doer of God’s commandments! I [try to] love God with all my heart soul mind and strength, and [try to] love my neighbor as myself. And what do you know, that’s exactly what the Catholic Church teaches me I should do!

    elman, we could go back and forth endlessly on this. I don’t know your story, so I don’t know exactly where you are coming from.
    If you’ve read any of my story here, then you would know that I’ve studied church history and was lead from the Baptist “tradition” to the Catholic faith through the Holy Spirit’s revelation in scripture, history and much prayer.
    Just a reminder; The Holy Spirit at the Council of Carthage in 367 A.D. lead the Church that Christ founded, to put the Bible together,as you know it today. So when you quote scripture, remember, you are quoting Catholic Tradition.
    All God’s blessings to you!
    Tim

  2. September 24, 2007 at 8:56 am

    Say what you want elman. You are the fraud. For you have made yourself the pope of the church of elman and a denier of the authorithy of Christ (I Tim.3:15).
    Good day and good riddance!
    Tim

  3. September 24, 2007 at 10:53 am

    You are the deceived and the fraud, elman. For you have set yourself up as the pope of the church of elman and gone against the Authority of Christ (I Tim. 3:15).
    Good-bye and good riddance!
    Tim

  4. servitus
    September 26, 2007 at 8:08 am

    Both comments on this topic ignore the truth of the matter. Are you really distracted by a sculpture in church? Does that crucifix really amount to idol worship? Or do we all worship the idol that exists in materialism?

    Many Christians fall into the worship of idols through cults of personality. I have seen many fall away when their favorite pastor/priest/deacon/etc… has moved on to another church or retired.

    Instead of criticizing each other we should be asking “what do I worship instead of God?”

    God bless Elman and good luck on your journey in life.

  5. September 27, 2007 at 4:37 am

    Well, thank you Servitus for your fair observation. But let me just add to your point that really, worshipping statues and graven images, or idols are just one of the many examples of idolatry. Other examples are found in Colossians 3:5 …belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.

    But let me just point out to you too that it is not only the worshipping that is prohibited by God but also even the making of these idols and graven images! Haven’t you read my whole post? Thank God, there are still Christians that does not belong to those that worship in vain, neither do they are wanting(lacking) in knowledge of the “God” that they worship!

    Your suggestion of not criticizing but rather asking is not in conformity with what the bible says about such topic. Though the people who has materialistic point of view might agree with you but in the past dispensation of the Apostles, even Jesus Christ they did their best to critisize the way of the priests, but the latter, instead of listening, they did not and their hearts were hardened.

    If we are just learned of the teachings of Jesus Christ, we would destroy those idols, in reference to a part of my post. You can try to read it above. The verse can easily be understood. But those who earns money for it, or who washes their guilt in front of these idols, have hardened their hearts.

    Servitus, I hope you shall be blessed by God with “grace” too (Ephesians 1:2). Because even St. Paul finds it difficult to express and explain how blessed he is to receive grace and be given wisdom and understanding of the Word and becoming a true servant of God, amidsts the wolves-in-sheep-clothing.

    Ephesians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.

    7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding.

    9And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.

    11In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

    15For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. 17I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

    18I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, 20which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

    There are a lot of verses that I mentioned from my previous posts related to this one. I learned them all by listening and searching. Thank God for his grace, my eyes can see.

    Reference
    esoriano.wordpress.com

  6. X-ian "the hungry and thirsty Soul"
    October 8, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    To Bro. Elman,

    I highly recognized and appreciated your effort of helping Bro. Eli in propagating the Gospel of the Kingdom (the Church of Gog [Col.3:15]) and in exposing the devilish and blasphemous doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church and cohorts since SHE is the mother of them all (Rev. 17:5). It is really true that they are the son of their mother, the BITCH or HARLOT and are just worthy for the DITCH (Matt. 15:14) as both words are homophonous in form and in meaning (both posses the uncleaness in nature: the BITCH-DITCH things).

    Many vital issues and concerns in the religious world that confronted the entire humanity today. Yet, but only a few understand and respond to the urgent needs of the world in this perilous times. Never in any time in the past that religious sects and organizations flooding like mushrooms save in our dispensation or era, in this LAST DAYS (Matt. 24: 5 says, “For MANY will come in my name, claiming, I am the Christ, and will DECEIVE many.”) having their own selfish motives and intents and one of those is DECEPTION, imagine, even the VERY ELECT (found in Matt. 24:24). After deceiving them including the very elect, the wosrt case ansd scenario is that these religious organs and their leaders will make them worst than themselves in wickedness (Matt. 23:15 says, “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him TWICE AS MUCH A SON of HELL as you are.”) using the Words of God and the name of Christ showing GREAT MIRACLES and WONDERS to realized their goal, TOTAL DECEPTION in the UNIVERSAL SETTING (Matt. 7:22 says, “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. .”) acting as the so-called HYPOCRITES. Trully that the Words of God are all-seasoned true and stand forever (Matt. 5:18 says, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”) and the realization of God’s Words are now being seen one by one.

    There are words that are highlighted for significant point and straightcut and emphasis. Remember the word MANY as mentioned in (1 John 4:1 says, “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because MANY FALSE PROFITS este PROPHETS are gone out into the world.”) and make business and profits with you (2 Peter 2:1-3 says, “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make MERCHANDISE of you.”) They are many in numbers whom JOINING THEIR HANDS TOGETHER in hiding in the MASKS of DISGUISE called “ECUMENISM” founded by the MOTHER of HARLOTS [the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH] in (Rev. 17:5 which says, “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”) to deceive many even the very elect. For they regarded religion as the best front for BUSINESS and MONEY MAKING (1 Timothy 6:5 says, “…and wrangling among men who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of GAIN. “)

    But the only TRUE RELIGION in the BIBLE/TRUE ORGANIZATION OF GOD (James 1:27 says, “PURE RELIGION and UNDEFILED before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.”) is strictly abiding to the Words of Truths in the Bible TO OPERATE WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK ALLOWED BY GOD in which NOT TO GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN or SCRIPTURAL in the RIGHTFUL SENSE of GOD’s WORD (1 Cor. 4:6 says, “And these things, brethren, I have in a FIGURE transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might LERAN IN US not to think of men ABOVE WHAT IS WRITTEN, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.”) and to the VERY STRICT INSTRUCTIONs of JESUS CHRIST to is doing service to the humanity subsistently. Its MEMBERS are working and providing BASIC SERVICES to the MASSES using their VERY RESOURCES and CAPABILITIES and not from the OUTSIDE or from GENTILES (1 John 3:7 says, “Because that for his name’s sake they went forth, taking nothing of the Gentiles.”) having this so-called “DELICADEZA” and “DISCIPLINE” where Jesus Christ REIGNS forever and ever as they obey ALL his COMMANDMENTS (Matt. 28:19-20 says, “19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”). Let the evils fulfil their parts and the righteous do the same for NONE of the WICKED shall UNDERSTAND (Daniel12:9-10 says, “9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

    10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the WISE shall understand.”). For in the last days, the wicked will do WICKEDLY (Rev. 22: 10-11 says “10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

    11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.”). For blessed is HE that READS [not just simply READING but rather coupled with COMPREHENSION of God’s WILL…] in (Rev. 1:3 says, “3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.”) and I know that person “HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE” who fulfils that prophecy. HE is from PHILIPPINES. Do you want to CHALLENGED this CLAIM? TRY HIM and YOU will see the TRUTH and the REALITY of it. Visit his websites and blogsite:

    http://www.esoriano.wordpress.com/
    http://www.theoldpath.tv/
    http://www.angdatingdaan.com/
    http://www.truthcaster.com/
    http://www.untvweb.com/
    http://www.angdatingdaan.org/

    Enjoy visiting these aforementioned websites. They are that prestigious and immensely informative grabbing many award internationally. TRY and try until you come to real LIFE…

    sincerely and lovingly yours,

    X-ian (christian)
    Your tiny brother and servant of Christ

  7. X-ian "the hungry and thirsty Soul"
    October 8, 2007 at 8:03 pm

    To Timglass,

    Before utter any words, you better think of it hundred times or more and equip yourself with the right knowledge of history and of the very HISTORY of your CHURCH, the Roman Catholic Church. These questions below will help you and will serve as your guide in knowing and setting your mind from great fanatism to your SATANIC Church-sheep-in-disguise:

    Are you aware that your church is the most blasphemous church in the entire Universe? (I can prove that to you in many ways with facts, evidences, and great arguments).

    Do you know that there was once in your church a FEMALE POPE who disguised to be a man so she could vye the office of the POPETRY (puppetry of satan) este Papacy?Lol. But it’s true and its not a joke. (Your church is doomed).

    What is the name of the GREATEST RELIGIOUS MURDERER? Undeniably true that the Roman Catholic Chuirch is the ultimate ANSWER? Wants some proofs? (Who killed DR. JOSE P. RIZAL, the Great Malayan Hero of the Far East and the National Hero of Philippines? the THREE MARTYR PRIESTS: “GomBurZa” or Gomez-Burgos-Zamora? etc.

    Who killed Galeleo Galilie, the inventor of the mighty TELESCOPE?

    Who murdered and or executed to death Martin Luther King, Jr. due to his protest movement against the Church?

    Who killed John Wycliffe (1320–84, English theologian, religious reformer, and Biblical translator) due to his translation of the Bible that paved the way to better understanding of the Words of God in the Bible among the masses? etc. etc.

    Ultimately, The answer is the Roman Catholic Church… Now if you know all these things, then you should deny and flee from the abominable church of yours. Challenge me and I will present to you concrete eveidences of these exposes’.

    To Bro. Elman, your the man….

    sincerely and lovingly yours,

    X-ian (christian)
    Your tiny useless brother and fellow servant of/in Christ

  8. October 9, 2007 at 8:37 pm

    Bro Elman,

    I’m still improving my blog, hope you can hekp me maximizing it.LOL.

  9. October 15, 2007 at 6:32 pm

    I read that you can visit his blog now. Maybe the owner of the wordpress would just need explanation should anyone emailed them as a protest for hating brother Eli Soriano.

    But let us not be discouraged, wordpress is not the only means. And I think, they are neutral, though.

    Let us in this moment do what is necessary, fight the good fight of faith.

  1. October 9, 2007 at 8:40 am

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