Hear Ye! Hear Ye! Everyone is Invited!
MEMBERS
CHURCH OF GOD
INTERNATIONAL
Worldwide Mass Indoctrination
Learn Christian doctrines in a new series of
that will commence on Monday ( May 12, 2008 )
in all major A.D.D. coordinating centres worldwide.
English version of Bro Eli Soriano’s message and invitation
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Brother Eliseo F. Soriano, also known as Brother Eli, whenever he preaches, reads the Bible. Questions are answered by the Bible (See video below).
(One of the audience was Jonathan Hudson of Los Angeles, California who asked Brother Eli, “Can God commit sin?” The last one who asked in the clip was Michael Olu of Abuja, Nigeria. Bro. Eli answered their questions not from his own capacity, but from biblical verses that were inspired by the Holy Spirit of God)
His work and manner of preaching fits another prophecy:
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
For Ricky’s concerns found below the comments area, and for those who feel the same, the author has provided a youtube clip below to give a clear view of the faith that the MCGI holds on to. With the use of the Holy Bible, watch and hear how Bro Eli reads to us the answer to your question,
Is it true that faith alone saves?
for more clips, you may visit truthcaster.
Mass indoctrination? Does anyone other than me think that sounds very odd?
You are right, it sounds odd to some people who haven’t heard all those things that God commanded through Jesus Christ - to teach them to obey everything commanded to the Christians.
And these commandments you shall know through hearing of the word of God.
Ah, true, yet you must make sure that the doctrines you accept are from the Bible, not some pastor’s interpretation of them–however inspiring he may be.
You can say that to other preachers who interpret the Holy Bible instead of reading them to you.
Our reader, who reads to us is the person we call Brother Eli. He does not interpret the Bible, but rather he reads to us the meaning of the verses through the bible too.
You can try his readings in
You can also watch the youtube clips I pasted on my posts. Or the link to our official website:
“ang dating daan” in english “the old path”.
I’ve already checked out your leader’s blog. I’ve commented. I’ve checked out the website. And I disagree with a lot of your leader’s theology.
“Our reader, who reads to us is the person we call Brother Eli. He does not interpret the Bible, but rather he reads to us the meaning of the verses through the bible too.”
Of course one who was led blindly by someone else would say something like this. Notice how you claim no allegiance to Christ, but rather to your “reader” Brother Eli. You claim no allegiance to the body of Christ or the Kingdom of God, but the Church of God International, who’s theology is more often than not off base.
For example:
Your church and leader claim that God is neither omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient. There is no proof of this in the Bible, anywhere. And who are you/your church/your leader, all humans able to claim that God is something? A fallible being cannot determine what an infallible being is/isn’t.
Secondly, your church and leader claim that there are many other gods beside the one true God. How can this be, when the Bible consistently talks about false idols, and how no gods can stand up to God, and that there should not be any gods before me, and how God consistently defeated all other supposed “gods” of other cultures.
Thirdly, your church and leader claim that the Church of God International is the ONLY true church of God. Yet, although you quote scripture that quotes the phrase “the church of God” it is taken out of context, and you forget that the term “church” does not denote a physical group or building, but rather a spiritual group of Christians everywhere. Your leader and church also claim that you can only be saved by hearing the Gospel, and joining YOUR particular church. As far as I can tell, Christ never talked about joining a particular group in order to be saved. This appears to be an illogical and unbiblical statement by your church/leader.
Fourth, your church and leader claim that you can lose your salvation if “he doesn’t preserve it to the end.” This implies that one must do works in order to maintain salvation. This is a contradiction of the fact that faith alone saves, and we are saved by grace. Once saved, always saved.
Fifth, your church and leader claim that “Brother Eli” is the only one who can correctly interpret Scripture. Says who? I find no evidence for this view in the Bible, and I would wager that the person who “found” this truth is none other than your beloved Brother Eli.
I have nothing against you personally, or Brother Eli. But according to the Bible, I can judge the words and actions of those that claim to represent Christ.
You and your church are right on some issues, such as the view of Christ, but on the other hand are dangerously wrong on core issues, such as the Biblical view of God, the requirements for salvation, and the role of the pastor.
Think again, brother. Don’t believe everything you’re told.
Of course you need to ask the right questions, for you to have the right answers from the bible.
Who will claim in these times that they are the Church of God?
The Church of God is biblical, in fact there are supporting verses for this. While the Church of God is a given already, found in the Holy Bible, it is existing even in the old testament and the new testament. No one in this lifetime, after the early Christians, can claim that they are the Church of God. So, what do we need to do? What people should do is to cleave to the good. Learn the commandments, doctrines, teachings of God to be Christians in order to be a part of the body, the Church of God where Jesus Christ is the head. That is why we are called “Members”:
Where did we get the word “International”?
Of course Bro Eli will read them to you point by point.
Ricky, please re-read your claims and double check it to your reference very carefully. Please don’t argue the very words and claims you wrote that you thought you have copied from our website. Do not go beyond what is written.
Try again and find out from the website if it says anything like your claims and accusations - that if they are really written there verbatim. Did Bro Eli claim that God is neither omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient? If you will only visit again the link you used, Bro Eli did not write that statement that you accuse him or us of. But instead, Bro Eli wrote , “Many religious groups believe that God can do everything and anything because He is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient…. There is something that God cannot do. It is impossible for God to lie; He cannot lie. Let us not believe those who say that nothing is impossible with God. That is a deceit meant to mislead you.Bro Eli even encourages people to disprove this.
You have questions in your comment and you claim you have the answers. What if your question is wrong? What can we expect an answer from that? The question is this, how many gods are there? Of course, you need to use logical and biblical sense in answering this general question. Even the bible says there are many gods. Please re-state your question like what the Christians ask, how many God Almighty are there? Then you will know who the God of Christians is when we read this in the Holy Bible.
Now that you mentioned something about spirituality, who do you think has the promised Holy Spirit that will teach and remind the Christians of what Jesus Christ said? Is there any churches that can claim and teach the same way Bro Eli reads the Holy Bible? None!
Once saved, always saved (OSAS) in fact is the fruit of your imagination that you learned from the teachers you listened to. When you talk about “works“, read the whole book written by St Paul. Please, the whole book does not in any way imparts that says faith alone saves. In fact, we need faith, hope, love - and the greatest of these is love/charity. You are contradicting yourself actually.
Your belief contradicts the verse that says God wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Do you practice such? Are you thoroughly equipped for every good “work”?
2 Timothy 3:
14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
I have nothing against you personally too, but I am here to inform you of the mass indoctrination. Should God allow, you can ask Bro Eli yourself, so, you may witness a person, guided by the Holy Spirit - who can rightly divide the word of truth.
I don’t want to ask Brother Eli. I want to ask God. I don’t want to join “The Church of God International.” The fellowship I attend in my city will suffice.
Why should I be indoctrinated by a man I view as heretical? Even worse, why should I even be “indoctrinated” in the first place?
Regarding your point about many gods, yes I would agree that the Bible does mention other gods. However the point is that all of these other gods were either inanimate objects made “holy” by pagans, or inferior spirits which stood no chance against God or his people. Your point is irrelevant. There are no other gods beside God the Father.
“Is there any churches that can teach the way Bro Eli reads the Holy Bible? None!”
So Brother Eli is the standard by which we should measure those who preach the word? I thought Christ was our standard, as well as the Bible. Sounds like someone is brainwashed.
Regarding works, Galatians 2;16 says, “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.”
Works do not save, and cannot guarantee salvation. And regarding your claim that we can lose our salvation, Love, charity, good works are the result of a change by Christ.
Romans 8:30 says, “Moreover, those whom he fore-ordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous.”
How can God pre-ordain some to be saved and some to not be saved, yet forget them? This would also show God’s omni-characteristics. He knows before hand, he knows and can see all, and he will not lose those he has chosen.
You say, “Your belief contradicts the verse that says God wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.”
Yes God would desire all to be saved, yet Mark 16:16 says, “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” Therefore some will believe, others won’t. If all believed and are saved, then the second part of this verse would not be necessary.
Regarding your quotation of 1 Timothy 2:9, I hate to break it to you, but I’m not a woman, I’m a guy. Paul was writing that section towards women in the church and how they should act. But to send a rebuttal your way, what makes you think you are more equipped than me?
Your view of the Bible, Christianity, and the Church is extremely narrow, as determined by your leader Brother Eli.
By the way, about Mark 16:16, you don’t know why baptism is needed? We are in the time where we are able to watch the events in the past.
Therefore, you need to read the whole Bible to know the whole process. You surely are basing your analysis selectively. That is a definition of narrow-mindedness.
Well you can ask Bro Eli of your questions contained in your introductions.
Obviously, answers depend also on the questions being asked, right? But no matter what questions you ask, the Holy Bible has answers definitely. Some people who live before you are found written in the scriptures asking.
James 2:
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?
God said:
All you said is your own righteousness. You just explained what you know. But are they the truth that God wants all men to be knowledgeable of? Notice now the last phrase of verse 16, “…and his Spirit will gather them together.” This is a proof how a person can be distinguished having the capacity, not by his own, but by the gift of the Holy Spirit to be able to gather the orders of God not only in letters but also in the heart! I know you failed to understand these words because these are hard words, still veiled to others. You have overlooked them by insistently interpreting the scriptures by yourself, so do your teachers.
God said, seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, right? Don’t push for your understanding, seek both, the kingdom of God and his righteousness.
Christ commanded and promised,
This verse is a proof that a person who will teach Christians to obey everything God commanded to them/him will never be alone because Jesus Christ will be with him always, to the very end of the age.
The standard measurement of teaching comes from God as taught by Jesus Christ to the Apostles. They have written of it that is why Bro Eli, with the help of the Holy Spirit, is reading to us all that which are written.
Do your sisters in faith follow this commandment?
Good deeds are proof that faith is not dead. And these is appropriate for women who profess to worship God. If you are not a woman, then teach that part to your sisters in faith, because those are good works. You, being a man should be able to prove that your head is Christ. And so doing, you will not allow women to adorn themselves or show some of their private parts in public.
Now, flesh cannot be justified. It is the spirit that we are talking about that needs salvation. In the future, Christians will be like Jesus Christ, for they shall see him as he is. These people were called to hear the gospel.
And those who hear and believed have taken some time to understand the gospel and the commandments of Jesus Christ. You can read them in The Acts of the Apostles, if you can read through it all over again.
Yes, even before some took baptism, they were told by St Paul through a discourse about faith in Jesus Christ.
Have you noticed the discourse of St Paul? It is about righteousness, self-control and the judgment to come. But Felix at the same time hopes for Paul to offer him a bribe. I remember Sam Jordison who emailed Bro Eli highlighting the benefits and some compensation he expects from a debate.
“…Have you found a suitable time and date (about the debate)?
…I’d also like to discuss payment, travel expenses and co if possible… Much better to get these things down in email so there’s no confusion than on the phone… What are your terms/ budget etc. I can’t imagine that the whole event is going to be anything less than personally humiliating from my point of view so I’d like some compensation…”
And those people from whom they heard the good news were sent by God to teach obedience in everything he commanded them.
How can you obey without works? How can you work without Jesus Christ helping you. With these, every good works does not done solely by ourselves but with the help of God. We cannot boast about this work because we did these by faith.
We really need to believe, but about what, to whom, how? Please read again Roman 10:13-18
We will be able to believe once we hear the undefiled teachings and commandments that is in the gospel of God.
Who will teach us what the apostles written? Who will read to us what the apostles have written commanded by God?
Bro Eli does not speak of his own, he reads what is written. There is consistency even in Revelation 1:3,
How can you keep which are written without works, without hope, without love?
It starts with hearing and hearing by the word of God to have faith. But the audience and the reader should have faith - from faith to faith. And faith should not be left out without deeds or else it’s dead and you won’t experience the fruit of the spirit: love, joy, peace, temperance, long suffering, etc… against such there is no law.
Your churches, your sisters in your churches, or you teachers, cannot prove to us that you have these fruit of the Spirit. How much more you can teach the need to keep in step with the Spirit? Of course works without faith cannot guarantee salvation; more importantly, deeds done in wrong faith is a sin. So, you should hear the right gospel and have the right faith.
And this is the right faith I am telling you to listen too. Because as Bro Eli reads you the Holy Scriptures, these are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. You also need to be wise don’t you think? It is part of the will of God.
You also need to know who the real Jesus Christ is, so that when you or even me see Him, he will not deny us.
But how? That is through knowing the answers to the “HOWS” of faith through hearing and hearing by the word of God. Please read again Romans 10:13-18.
It is true, that we need to have faith in Jesus Christ, because God calls you and leads you to Christ. When you decided that you will follow God’s calling, you are now starting the process of having faith in Jesus Christ. That is how it works. And you will now listen to the reader of the gospel. And after you heard it all, this time, you will decide if you will believe the gospel or not. Once you believe, then you will accept baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Where are those three found? It is in the Church of God, where the Apostles wrote of the teaching and reminds you to obey everything God has commanded them through Jesus Christ.
Definitely, the man who will read to you of what is written is in the Church of God, he cleaved to the good. Cleaving to the good is a commandment too, for your information. Bro Eli is a role model in doing good works.
Of course you are not a woman but rather a man. You will know that you are in the right Church of God when you see these women who are obeying the commandment taught to them by the reader of the Holy Bible, for good works.
Just think further and read the verses you used, it is not confined on what you think is right. But rather the righteousness that God wants us to have will explain it all. Your dead works and faith to God cannot save you, even your reliance to your own point of view and understanding.
Yes, I am a sinner.
Everything you talk about somehow finds its way back to Brother Eli or the Church of God. So because I do not think that either of these things are valid for discussing truth, as they are both biased and the creation of one man not God, does that mean I’m going to hell?
Well, well, well…
The discussions are greatly fair based on the aguments of both sides, Ricky’s and Elman’s… Thanks God that there are still more poeple who seek for the truth! Yet, due to their ignorance of God’s words and will though they strongly claimand tightly hold to they preconceived ideas introduced by their ignoramus pastors.
I don’t think this ricky is in his sane mind becuse he tended to constantly contradict himself. He is talking of immaterial and unbiblical things… He doesn’t want to be indoctrinated since he already had in mind the preconceived doctrines that his dumb pastorshad inculcated in his mind. Lets take a closer look on this best example of Ricky’s ignorance and being ignoramus of the holy Scriptures:
Once Save, Always Save (OSAS)? Where in the Bible you can find such expression? NONE! Granting, without accepting that OSAS is true and biblical, how will you explain the fall of Judas Iscariot? Do you think Judas was saved since he was once saved. In fact, he was given the power and authority to heal the sick, cast demons, preach the doctrines of Christ and even designated as the Treasurer during the first Christians era under the direct supervision of Christ… Mark 3:14 - 15
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“And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,
15And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:
See! It is very clear that Judas Isacriot had lost the salvation that was once entrusted to him by God…
It isa very logical and sane and biblical to think and believe that salvation is not forever unless you keep, exercise/do and cleave to it till the end as reiterated by our Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:313
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31″But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”
Don’t be so arrogant, harsh, hypocrite and self-centered mr. ricky… think and think all over again of the words u say and the things u do…
Xian
Thanks Xian for your kind words to a fellow believer.
However in response to your verse quotation, I don’t believe that Judas was ever saved. Here’s why. According to Luke 22:3 it says,
“Then entered Satan into Judas, surnamed Iscariot, being a number of the twelve.”
How can a saved person be controlled by Satan? It’s logically impossible for someone who’s life is owned by the grace of God to be controlled by Satan. Therefore it’s my belief that Judas was never saved. Accordingly, it says in Matthew 7:22-23,
“Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’”
Casting out demons or healing sicknesses or doing wonders is not a sign of salvation, because Christ never knew them or rather he had never saved them. They were doing these signs at the will of another. Pharaoh’s servants did miracles and wonders to counter Moses’ signs and wonders. Do you honestly think the pagan servants were “saved?”
I hope that you both can understand that there is absolutely nothing we can do to earn our salvation, or keep it. Once we surrender our lives to Christ, he’s got us in His hands. I don’t believe that Christ would let us go because we aren’t doing enough, because by the Bible’s own words,
“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.” (Galatians 2:16)
I rest my case.
You surely are talking about the law of Moses. But it was amended by Jesus Christ with the command of God the Father.
When a law is amended, the outcome is still a law. And what do Christians do with the new law? Obey it. When you obey, you work with faith. It’s up to you to believe or not, but believing in the gospel and putting it to action are two different things. We need to prove that we believe by putting it into action, keeping in mind that we can’t do good works without the help of God. This kind of work, that is, good works, left nothing to boast about.
Jesus Christ is my helper, whom shall I fear?
You’re exactly right on that point, yet I do not think that one can lose their salvation because they don’t follow the law or do good works. If you’re saved, none of that necessarily matters in the scheme of eternal security, however it is vital for spiritual growth.
I want to know your belief, those that were taught to you.
What was contained on the message that made you believe?
Can you discuss here what specifically was saved when you believed? And where were you saved from after believing?
I was taught that all humans are born into sin, and cannot attain the righteousness needed for entrance into Heaven. Through Christ’s atonement on the cross and resurrection after three days, those who have faith in Him are redeemed of their sins, and are given the gift of eternal life in Heaven after death.
This is what was shared to me, and I believed. All of what I was taught I can provide scriptural proof for.
I will have to let Bro Eli answer you through a video clip. I will place a video on this post. Please watch and hear. If you have problems watching the clip and if it appears only as blank rectangle, you may proceed to youtube for the clip or direction for video technical concerns.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IphNoPYh-Sc
Watch Bro Eli answer Ricky (in a way) this question, Is it true that faith alone saves?
I watched the video, though sometime I wish you wouldn’t mention Brother Eli at all and tell me exactly what you believe.
I do agree with him on the point that faith without works in meaningless.
However I strongly disagree with him on his denial of the truth that faith alone does save. Here’s why:
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Romans 3:28: “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.”
Romans 10:9: “That if you shall confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.”
Titus 3:5: “…he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit…”
John 14:6: “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.’”
Acts 26:18: “…that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in me…”
John 5:24: “I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.”
2 Chronicles 20:20: “Have faith in the LORD your God and you will be upheld…”
Matthew 7:22-23: “Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
Luke 5:20: “When Jesus saw their faith, he said, ‘Friend, your sins are forgiven.’”
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Works are not a requirement for salvation, rather they are an evidence of salvation. This is what Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 13. If he has this faith, why doesn’t he show it? It’s meaningless in that case. Bro. Eli was right on that point.
But to say that faith alone does not save? That is absolutely heretical. I believe I’ve proved that point with plenty of scripture.
Need I go on? How can one (including Eli) skip these verses that clearly show how faith in God or Christ brings salvation or eternal life? How can you tell me that?
If you respond, try not using any references to Brother Eli, the Church of God International, or anything related to those two entities. Use your own opinions and research please.
There is no such thing as the phrase “faith alone” saves in the Holy Bible. Give me a verse please.
The notion or the belief that “faith alone saves’ is being disputed by this one verse. St Paul wrote of this too.
Again,… if I have ALL FAITH, so as to remove mountains, but have not love (AGAPE), I am nothing.
Minus works, you cannot even call it faith. Faith is coupled with works to be perfect. The real meaning of faith is with works as said by St James.
There are misconceptions that faith alone can save. Faith is the primary step that you have to take in order to serve God. It is the number one thing that you have to accept, to have faith. But it doesn’t end there.
These three must abide in us.
St Paul has written books. Please read them all.
I am nothing without love.
So simply because it doesn’t say the exact phrase “faith alone saves” in the Bible you’re willing to deny the other verses that all prove that point? That’s sad. You’ll go all the way to your grave believing the wrong thing, simply because the Bible didn’t have your exact phrase, and you’ll pay for it.
According to your logic, because it doesn’t mention the name of Brother Eli in the verse you quoted, “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand…”
…I can therefore claim Brother Eli is a false prophet and his followers are blind and wrong in their ways. Give me a verse that shows Brother Eli to be what you and others claim him to be.
” If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself.
John 7:17
Ricky, you can claim for all you want, let’s face it, that’s how you analyse the bible, by your own interpretation and wild imagination.
You add things that are not supposed to be added like the phrase, “faith alone” saves. There is no such thing in the Bible.
But if you will argue about what is written let us then read about it:
But what about the reader.? You don’t know what you want to argue. The reader is a prophecy and is bound to happen.
The prophecies from God are bound to happen.
And Christians should keep those things which are written. It includes good works. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:
Are you equipped for every good work? Were you trained in righteousness? Or your faith are all lip service?
I learned from Bro Eli these verses because he is from the beginning, before I learned the truth, he has shown us that he is equipped of good works and what he says cannot be refuted by his detractors.
There are many things to say, but let me leave you about one thing that no pastor nor preachers, nor guro can prove that they received from God:
14But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves.
15For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death.
17All men will hate you because of me. 18But not a hair of your head will perish. 19By standing firm you will gain life.
Luke 21:
I still don’t understand what makes you think that this Eli is more correct or adept at interpreting the Scriptures than I am, or anyone else. You have not provided solid evidence for this.
Try this. Don’t use any scripture to back up your view of Brother Eli. No scripture whatsoever. Try it.
The proper use of the scriptures is what separates us from people like you. Doing good works is a commandment too.
If I don’t use the verses from the Holy Bible, how then am I different from you? I commit mistakes, though. But if I do not pursue holiness, what am I preparing for in the everlasting life?
St Paul himself advocates putting what you learned into practice, especially, good works. That is what he learned from Jesus Christ.
Share with God’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.
Romans 12:13
Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.
Philippians 4:9
As I said above you will be a witness of an example of what the members in the Church of God is like, as preached by St Paul, when you see its women members.
Do you practice such good deeds? Are you thoroughly equipped for every good “work”? Or are you using St Paul in the wrong context?
Time is of the essence now, while your spirit says, do good - cleave to the good. Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Time is of the essence now, while your spirit says, do good - cleave to the good.
The point I was trying to make is that you cannot prove with Scripture that a mortal, fallible, sinful man can be correct in all of his interpretations of Scripture. It’s impossible, and you keep proving it each time you use his words or name. It’s sad that you are so easily led by another man who’s only goal is to make a name for himself.
I’ve enjoyed the discussion, and I hope that you find the truth of the Bible, not of a mortal man.
Peace.
All I ask from people who visits my blog is to lend an ear; especially, to the mass indoctrination that is to take place.
Please, leave your human ideas behind first. Stick to what is written and good. Listen to the prophecy too.
I hope brother that you will be a part of this prophecy, not the opposite. Thank you for visiting.
Salamat po sa Dios! Thanks be to God, forever and ever!
1 Chronicles 29:13
Now, our God, we give you thanks, and praise your glorious name.
I remain as an unworthy servant, I am nothing.
10So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’ ”
Luke 17:
You are so brainwashed, it’s pathetic.
Let me ask you, Ricky. What is the name of your church? Do you give tithes?
I attend two churches. One is a Bible church (non-denominational in a way) and the other is a Baptist church. Yes I give tithes, whenever I receive money.
So you attend two churches. Does the Baptist Church where you are affiliated to allows you to attend other churches?
Let me ask also, why do you think there is a need for you to give tithes whenever you receive money?
I don’t subscribe to the idea that I have to be a member or attached to a particular church, or if I am that they have “jurisdiction” over my choice of fellowship. I’ll attend church or fellowship with whomever I please. So to answer your question about the Baptist church, there is no answer because they wouldn’t care if someone started attending another church.
Regarding tithes, I know you will probably point out that the New Testament does not emphatically state that Christians are required to tithe (give ten percent) from their income. I’m sure that you will probably point out that tithing was a largely Old Testament tradition practiced by the Israelites. You would be correct on both points if you were thinking them. But that is irrelevant to me. Just because I am not required to doesn’t mean I can’t/shouldn’t. I do it out of respect. God gives me so much, the least I can do is give a portion of my income to further God’s work in the local church.
Ricky, Did you really mean it when you said that the Baptist Church wouldn’t care if someone, you yourself for example, started attending another church?
Actually, Ricky, some Filipino Baptists reveal the same but they said that they are reminded to give only their tithes to the Baptist Church not to the other churches they attend to.
You see, these Churches, like the Baptist Church, do not really care about the doctrine of God - those that are written in the Holy Bible specifically for the Christians. They continuously preach tithings, when in fact they are not required to implement it. That law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, their brothers.
Even hopping from one church to another and leaving the commandment to cleave to good, or even tithing, are not commanded to you or to Christians but you still pursue it out of respect! What are you doing then? What are you thinking?
In the Christian dispensation, we have a permanent priest, Jesus Christ. The Christians who will give are the ones that are now commanded to:
If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:11
So, try asking these TO your pastors or teachers. Why would they need to ask for 10 percent to their members? Ask yourself, why do I need to do things which I am not commanded to do, especially tithing which was explained clearly in the Holy Bible?
Actually, one purpose of the WORLWIDE MASS INDOCTRINATION is to inculcate or impart to people THE NEED TO AND THE PURPOSE OF TRUSTING IN GOD’S righteousness, not from yours or anyone elses’ righteousness.
There are requirements and good works to follow. And if you do not obey and instead trusted your own righteousness, you just did it all in vain. No amount of “OSAS/Once saved always saved” or “Faith alone saves” can save you.
No amount of faith can save you without love, more so, if you do things in wrong faith.
If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live,
BUT THEN HE TRUSTS IN RIGHTEOUSNESS and does evil, none of the righteous things he has done will be remembered; he will die for the evil he has done.
Ezekiel 33:13
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?
2 Corinthians 13:5
15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death,
or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Romans 6:
God has prepared something in advance for us to do. And we need to be slaves to obedience, which leads to righteousness.
This is the righteousness that we encourage people to learn of - reading to them the Holy Bible as proof and reference of the truth. Not our righteousness, not yours or someone elses’, but God’s righteousness should be learned and followed.
“Therefore, son of man, say to your countrymen, ‘The righteousness of the righteous man will not save him when he disobeys, and the wickedness of the wicked man will not cause him to fall when he turns from it. The righteous man, if he sins, will not be allowed to live because of his former righteousness.’
Ezekiel 33:12
22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6
6God “will give to each person according to what he has done.” 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
Romans 2:
Remember, Ricky, God does not show favoritism, but for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Bro Eli Soriano is here, ready to answer you, all your question shall be answered by reading the HOLY BIBLE. Just lend a listeing ear and an open heart. Pray so that the light will shine upon you. Let God do the rest in calling you.
I suggest that you neither trouble yourself by doubting Bro Eli nor listen to him hastely but rather follow the commandment of God.
For now, there are a lot of prophecy in the scriptures that says about righteousness that shall be learned by those who calls in the name of God. And someone will read to them these things.
He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver.
Then the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness,
Malachi 3:3
“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
Proverbs 9:10
And who, nowadays, is always ready to answer everyone enquiry about righteousness that God wants us to follow? Who is fearless enough to expose the deceit of religious denominations even if it costs his physical death? But God promised:
13Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good? 14But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear what they fear; do not be frightened.”
15But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.
1 Peter 3:
Yes, Bro Eli is a man that can commit mistakes but not in terms of biblical knowledge and wisdom, he is a man that will not interpret the Holy Bible but rather will read to you what it really means through the help of God.
Proverbs 9:10
“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
3 Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.
Daniel 12
I hope brother that you will be a part of this prophecy, not the opposite.
Thank you for visiting.
Salamat po sa Dios! Thanks be to God, forever and ever!
Now, our God, we give you thanks, and praise your glorious name.
1 Chronicles 29:13
I remain as an unworthy servant, I am nothing.
10So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’ ”
Luke 17:
Haha. I applaud your excellent copy-and-pasting ability from the works of your minister Bro. Eli. You definitely know his words very well!
You essentially showed what I said in the comment before yours, about how yes it is a Old Testament tradition for tithing and how the New Testament doesn’t make this requirement.
I don’t care. I could absolutely care less. Like I said, God has given me so much, he has given me eternal salvation, so the least I can do is give some of my income to Him. I say that your response to this is irrelevant.
Regarding my church(es). I don’t live in the Philippines so I don’t care what your local Baptist’s say. All I know is that I tithe at whichever church I attend. Makes no difference to me. Again, your response to this is irrelevant.
Finally, I know believe that Brother Eli is a inspiring but dangerous man who preaches a distorted view of God and the Bible. His followers are all brainwashed, including yourself. You have no concept of Biblical truth, only the words that Brother Eli declares as truth. Your interpretation of Scriptures is incorrect and extremely narrow-minded. I’d have no problem telling this to Brother Eli. In fact since you love him so much, why don’t you tell him for me? I’d appreciate it!
I’ve enjoyed this conversation, and it confirmed all my suspicions about you and your beloved minister.
I wrote what’s in my heart and what I learned. Though my last comment was lengthy, I pushed for it. I tried to look for the passages in biblegateway.com and paste them here so you can read them without any hassle, but you are too busy rebutting the messenger.
You said you do not care.
I won’t refute that.
True, I am “rebutting the messenger” and I make no apology for it. The messenger must be held accountable for his words.
And thanks for not refuting my point(s). Because you can’t.
Did you read all my comments, or watch the clips above?
Tell me, Ricky, which of your words I haven’t answered yet or haven’t been tackled by Bro Eli in his videos?
I watched every video, I read all your comments/verses. You’ve answered, but I still think you’re wrong/misguided, and Brother Eli’s comments are wrong/misguided as well.
How can I refute it when you do not care at all?
Tell me, Ricky, which of your words I haven’t answered yet or haven’t discussed by Bro Eli in his videos yet?
Like I said,
I watched every video, I read all your comments/verses. You’ve answered, but I still think you’re wrong/misguided, and Brother Eli’s comments are wrong/misguided as well.
You’ve done great at answering and so has Brother Eli. But I think you’re both believing a false god and Bible. Because some of the core stuff in the Bible you don’t believe in. Don’t ask what, we’ve already discussed this.
So your point is?
Ricky, we are definitely not believing in a false god and a false Bible. May God rebuke you!
” ‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt.
Leviticus 19:17
There are prophecies and promises made for the person/s that will follow God’s righteousness. These people have turned away from their own righteousness, their own belief and those things that they know.
Bro Eli is reading to us the righteousness of God, and has been doing this for about 41 years to his countrymen and trying to reach the people all over the world, most especially those in Africa or in Papua New Guniea, and those who have not yet heard of the Gospel of God.
“Therefore, son of man, say to your countrymen, ‘The righteousness of the righteous man will not save him when he disobeys, and the wickedness of the wicked man will not cause him to fall when he turns from it. The righteous man, if he sins, will not be allowed to live because of his former righteousness.’
Ezekiel 33:12
We believe that Jesus Christ is with us. Who shall we fear? Is it the one that can kill the body? No! But we fear God. And fear of God is to obey his commandments. And to obey everything that he commanded the Apostles, found in the Holy Scriptures.
We will keep on bringing the good news to the world about God’s love, and bring the news even to people that care-less.
So that, in some ways, they will know that God is calling them. For them to walk in the righteousness of God - not in the righteousness of Bro Eli, not in the righteousness of elmantheman, not in the righteousness of Ricky, but to walk in the righteousness of God.
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
1 Timothy 3:15
God himself, the God of Israel, the everlasting Father said:
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
15Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.
16For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.
2 Chronicles 7:14
It is the Church of God. We are not that Church of God, because it is older than us, but we cleaved to it when heard the calling of God and obeyed and followed His righteousness. That is the place where every form of righteousness is learned and put into practice.
I am trying to invite people to consider listening and learning what is the good way.
Many nations will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Micah 4:2
Though some says, they will not walk therein.
…But they said, We will not walk therein.
Jeremiah 6:16
“…we are definitely not believing in a false god and a false Bible. May God rebuke you!”
Haha, well someone who was believing in a false god/bible would say something like that. Oh, you’re going to rebuke me? Awesome, it’s all good.
From the moment I heard about Brother Eli I was suspicious, and when I read/saw what he preached, I was convinced that there is something wrong.
There’s something wrong with you and others promoting Brother Eli as some skilled master of reading the Word, which he isn’t.
I can judge and criticize you people all I want.
1 Corinthians 5:12-13: “For what have I to do with also judging those who are outside? Don’t you judge those who are within? But those who are outside, God judges.”
I honestly believe that you, Brother Eli, and all the Eli-ites believe in something that is not Biblical. You’re more content to blindly follow some man who denies clear Biblical truth.
Rebuking me doesn’t do much.
You know why I commented on here? Because I wanted to instigate an argument. I already know what you and your friends believe, but I wanted to see it for myself. Now all my suspicions and predictions are confirmed.
You’re blind. You’re confused. You don’t know truth. You follow a wrong man. You believe in something contrary to the Bible.
Ricky, if you could only read the first lines and the last verse in my comment, you would know how fortunate you are if you receive God’s rebuke, that is, when you responded to His Rebuke.
And God said:
You definitely revealed yourself who you really are. You really won’t stop hitting the messenger, instead of discussing the message. That’s how you argue, like Zophar.
Ricky, you are relying in your own righteousness; and your own understanding that, like that of what Zophar did, inspired you to reply.
Should you have listened to the verse, you will hear God’s rebuke. And should you have responded to God’s rebuke, He would have poured out His heart to you and made His thoughts known to you.
Again, I am trying to invite people to consider listening and learning what is the good way and where is the good way.
Though some says:
Your rebuke is irrelevant because, well to be honest, it won’t do anything. Coming from you, it’s like someone says, “May God rebuke you!” and then throwing a paper wad at me or something. Big whoop.
Ricky you sounded really like Zophar the Naamathite:
Ricky, this is my reply to you:
God bless you too.
Thank you for visiting, Ricky. I know you are diligently studying the word of God. Continue praying for wisdom and understanding that comes from God.
Salamat po sa Dios! Thanks be to God, forever and ever!
I remain as an unworthy servant, I am nothing.